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tbethel

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Feb 28 16 5:51 AM

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I have a TC Electronic M-3000 and it sounds good but I am getting into more and more mastering of acoustic music and was wondering if people have some thoughts on this piece of equipment.



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Thomas W. Bethel
Managing Director, Acoustik Musik, Ltd.
www.acoustikmusik.com/
Celebrating 22 years in business in 2017

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waltzmastering

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Feb 28 16 8:08 AM

It's hard to get excited about reverb in the mastering context.
Even with acoustic music, I can't see it being used all that much except for extended tails.

What kind of spaces do you find yourself using most often with acoustic music?
Some of the guys at Briscasti are ex Lexicon, so I doubt you'll go wrong.

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tbethel

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Feb 28 16 8:26 AM

I sometimes like to add some additional depth or ambiance to a recording I have done or to something a mastering client sends in. The TC M-3000 is a very good reverb but it sounds like it is adding reverb instead of blending with what is already there. I had a 20 minute talk with the developer of the M-7 last week and was impressed with what he was telling me.

Thanks for the reply

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Feb 29 16 11:36 AM

I have added reverb maybe two times…ever…in mastering. But I really needed to on a song this past week.

However, try as I might, nothing would work. There was just too much music under the dry vocal, and it never sounded realistic.

No chance of a remix, so they got their dry track.




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Feb 29 16 12:22 PM

Never used the Bricasti in that regard, but as a reverb, it is simply magnificent. When I had access to one in another life, it was THE primary unit I used... should I be in position to do these things as a significant source of income again, I will purchase one, without question.

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Feb 29 16 1:22 PM

I love the Bricasti.

As for reverb in mastering, I've had to have reverb added during mastering to one of my mixes exactly one time... the artist wanted to change something about the very last hit of the song somehow... I don't remember the details, but we had to add reverb to the last hit only to make it decay to silence a bit more naturally than it otherwise would've.

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Feb 29 16 1:35 PM

Hi Tom - From a mixer's point of view, the Bricasti is certainly a large step up from the M3000.  I had an M3000 for a little while many years ago and never felt like it blended particularly well or sounded all that good.  I replaced it long ago with a system 6000; a much better (and very flexible) piece, and I've also used the Bricasti a bit and like it very much.  By the way, you could probably get a System 6000 on the used market these days for *cheap* and it'll do all kinds of terrific stuff in addition to reverb.

All of that said, I'd be hard pressed to justify spending the kind of money the Bricasti costs given the quality of many of the plug-in verbs out there these days.  If all you need is a little 'verb for the occasional chopped tail or too-dry mix, I can't imagine you couldn't get what you want with one of the Exponential Audio verbs, or Altiverb, or Aether, or UAD, or Waves H-Verb, or...   I mean there's a *lot* out there these days, and many of them sound really good and would be much cheaper than a Bricasti.

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Mar 1 16 9:18 AM

If you understand acoustics and the effect they have on the perceived "intent" of a performer, you can easily tweak any number of available reverbs to get what you need.

If you don't understand reverb, don't use it.

Especially in mastering.

No Bueno.

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Mar 1 16 9:32 AM

aipsong wrote:
Sonnox - Oxford Reverb  --  also a fine choice

 
Thanks for that report.  I believe it's one of the very few reverbs that runs as AAX DSP, which makes it particularly interesting to me, since I'll bet it's better than D-Verb, Reverb One.  

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Mar 1 16 11:20 AM

maarvold,
I have several of their products - the quality matches all others, and is better than most  - their suppressor is excellent  and their transmod   --- all in all a great company
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Mar 1 16 11:52 AM

maarvold wrote:

aipsong wrote:
Sonnox - Oxford Reverb  --  also a fine choice

 
Thanks for that report.  I believe it's one of the very few reverbs that runs as AAX DSP, which makes it particularly interesting to me, since I'll bet it's better than D-Verb, Reverb One.  

I'll suggest REVIBE is you want AAX DSP.  Personally I like it better than the Sonnox and far better than Reverb One.

The Bricasti is without equal.

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Mar 1 16 2:09 PM

minister wrote:

maarvold wrote:

aipsong wrote:
Sonnox - Oxford Reverb  --  also a fine choice

 
Thanks for that report.  I believe it's one of the very few reverbs that runs as AAX DSP, which makes it particularly interesting to me, since I'll bet it's better than D-Verb, Reverb One.  

I'll suggest REVIBE is you want AAX DSP.  Personally I like it better than the Sonnox and far better than Reverb One.

The Bricasti is without equal.

 
I have ReVibe (but couldn't remember the name at 6:30 am, so I left it out of the post).  I'll agree it is superior to DVerb and Reverb One, but I still rarely reach for it.  I probably should take another look at it.  

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Apr 27 16 11:15 AM

I have a Bricasti M7 I use for mixing. There's really nothing like it, I think. I also have the Lexicon Reverb plugins and the usual reverb plugins from Avid, Waves, etc, but I rarely use them. One thing the M7 is particularly good at is providing realistic ambience. There's a bank of ambience settings that are very useful, and the room algorithms are wonderful as well. It is, of course, very expensive. 
But, a plug in I occasionally turn to now is the Exponential Audio Phoenix Verb, which is very high quality. You may want to try the free demo of that and see if it suits your needs before going for the Bricasti.

Another interesting option is to download the free Bricasti impulse responses from http://www.samplicity.com/bricasti-m7-impulse-responses/ 
This is a set of IR's taken from a Bricasti unit (with Bricasti's permission), which you can load into a convolution reverb like the Wave's IR. The results aren't quite what you get from the real thing, but they are quite good. 

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Apr 27 16 11:25 AM

I'm thinking of selling my newly upgraded System 6000 MKII (both mainframe and CPU are MKII new) for cash and a 1/4 inch tape deck. My System 6000 has both all the mastering and all the reverb programs. Tom, if you know anyone in that boat, or anyone here, hit me up.

Garrett Haines Chief Mastering Engineer, Treelady Studios www.treelady.com Senior Contributor, Tape Op Magazine www.tapeop.com

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Apr 28 16 10:35 AM

skidmorebay wrote:
...I also have the Lexicon Reverb plugins and the usual reverb plugins from Avid, Waves, etc, but I rarely use them...

...a plug in I occasionally turn to now is the Exponential Audio Phoenix Verb, which is very high quality. You may want to try the free demo of that and see if it suits your needs before going for the Bricasti.

 
I'm not sure what it is about Phoenix Verb, but I just instinctively and immediately liked the sound of it--moreso than R2 (I own both and got R2 first).  Can't remember the last time I reached for Lexicon Reverb (plugs), although I still love a real 480.  My mentor, who also loves a 480, thought the Bricasti was even better... but for me, I still prefer a 480.  Caveat: I have had somewhat limited exposure to the Bricasti, and limited time to spend with it when there was one available.  

In a way I think there are two families of digital reverb lovers: Lexicon people and TC people.  This is an extreme generalization, but I feel like there's some nugget of truth in there somewhere.  

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