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Jun 17 16 6:07 AM

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http://www.macrumors.com/roundup/macos-sierra/

What on earth? I'm reading here and elsewhere a who new way of file storage, amongst other things, in store for the new OS. Will you trust all your work to the cloud now?

RIP The K.I.S.S. Principle.

Thoughts? If it matters I'm still on 10.8.5 on the Mac side.

 

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Jun 17 16 6:58 AM

I'm still at 10.8.5 on my music computer as well, and I don't see moving at the earliest until I get my PTHDX system.

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Jun 17 16 7:17 AM

wireline wrote:
What on earth? I'm reading here and elsewhere a who new way of file storage, amongst other things, in store for the new OS. Will you trust all your work to the cloud now?


 

Simple solution: don't use iCloud. Turn it off in Preferences. 

I only recently upgraded to El Capitan as I needed to perform a reinstall and Apple annoyingly revoked old installer certificates. I also recently had to turn iCloud on on this system in order to install an application only available on the App Store. Thankfully, I seem to have managed to convince the developer to consider offering the software outside of Apple's infrastructure. I really miss Tiger. 

The only innovative part of macOS Sierra is the new file system. 
HFS+ has not been extended further over the years and simply is getting long in the tooth 20 years later. 
Apple first attempted to replace HFS+ with ZFS and announced limited functionality at WWDC 2007 but soon discovered it was extremely difficult to implement ZFS system-wide correctly.
Instead, Apple decided to work on a replacement to HFS+ internally and the wildly imaginative name Apple File System is their take on ZFS and the better elements of other file systems. It remains to be seen if they implement this correctly, but the proposed feature-set is very good. 

I still think a Private iCloud would be a good idea, using local storage instead of using what is essentially someone else's computer. 
 

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Jun 17 16 9:46 AM

It's just another OS X more or less.

Not everything has to be in the cloud. Nothing can be in the cloud.

I think that the crux of that one aspect, is that one group of people at Apple has been pushing the cloud idea. Not as many people have taken the bait with the integration level so far, so they are probably convinced that it was just not an easy enough implementation. It probably seems impossible to them that more people aren't using it.

When I saw the blurb I thought "oh crap is this the rumored uni-OS ...the OS X/iOS hybrid". But no, it's just OS X with a dumber name.


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As far as that app / iCloud thing goes, it seems as though the app probably had iCloud features, and was set not to let you download it because you didn't what it takes to make it work (iCloud) - as sold in the AppStore.

You can *definitely* sell things on the AppStore without people having to have iCloud.

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Jun 17 16 10:28 AM

gtoledo3 wrote:
You can *definitely* sell things on the AppStore without people having to have iCloud.

Never been an issue before but El Capitan won't allow me to log in to the App Store without iCloud being on. 

Thanfully the developer has provided me with an installer so I don't require the App Store anymore for reinstallation. 

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gtoledo3

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Jun 17 16 10:39 AM

Hmm, I don't doubt it, but I don't understand it either....

My El Cap is set to no iCloud options, and the Spotlight setting that will grab from the internet is turned off too (I think it's somewhere in Preferences/Spotlight).

I use AppStore all the time... all it asks, if I was logged out, is for my Apple ID and password.

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Jun 17 16 1:33 PM

gtoledo3 wrote:
....But no, it's just OS X with a dumber name.


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not dumber than "el capitan"

but meanwhile, Pro Tools Expert is reporting PT 12.5 running BETTER on Sierra (although clearly not approved) in terms of graphics



 

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Jun 18 16 4:09 AM

Are these major OS overhauls coming more and more frequently? Or am I just getting older and time seems to be passing faster?

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Jun 18 16 7:19 AM

soapfoot wrote:
Are these major OS overhauls coming more and more frequently? Or am I just getting older and time seems to be passing faster?

I suspect that Moore's Law can be adapted to this phenomenon..

If you deal with software companies as much as I do, you see a bizarre myopia, especially in operating system development.  These people deal specifically with the operating system, something that used to be invisible to the end user, and the better is was the more invisible it was, but sometime around the rise of the Apple Macintosh the operating system became the *focus* of the computer.   Now it seems that we've become indoctrinated to this view.

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wireline

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Jun 18 16 7:42 AM

I suppose that is true. What kills my enthusiasm for any new OS release is the same thing that kills my enthusiasm for most major DAW releases: the proliferation of crap I didn't ask for, will likely never use, but still end up paying for...and more and more one 'upgrade' forces several more just to get back to where you started.

I really don't want my computer to talk back.

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Jun 18 16 11:42 AM

For those of us still using the nice, stable 2008 dual quad Mac Pro - according to the spec published at the conference, we're no longer supported by the new OS.

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Jun 19 16 3:06 PM

Mac OS X through its lifetime was on about a once-per-year upgrade cycle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_OS_X
From 10.3.x - 10.6.x it was about every other year. As for macOS Sierra, I'm sure the integrated cloud storage will be an option, not a requirement. If you don't want to use that feature, I really doubt you will be compelled to turn it on and you will be able to keep doing what you've been doing. For what it's worth, I recently upgraded from Mavericks to El Capitan and I'm finding El Capitan noticeably more efficient and stable with audio software. It broke a few ancient plug-ins that will no longer wrap in Sound Radix 32 Lives but the only one I really care about (Eiosis E2Deeser) is due for re-release very soon. No dramas.

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