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Jul 12 16 3:50 PM

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I have occasional needs for M & F choir  Ooo's and Aha's as well as strings etc. I do have some killer sounds like these in IK sample tank, but my computer is not integrated with my recording chain/path. Yes I can do it, but it is a pain. Is there a stand alone midi module that I can use with a midi controler KB that will give me those sounds?
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Jul 12 16 4:48 PM

Choir samples used to come standard with nearly every rompler rack unit, but due to the limited memory back then, they weren't in general as realistic as today's VI's. Still some very characteristic sounds, I still use Roland JV1080, Kurzweil K2000 and others.

Roland Orchestral Card: http://www.synthmania.com/Roland%20SR-JV80-02%20Orchestral/Audio/227%20Choir%201.mp3
Korg TR-Rack: http://synthmania.com/Korg%20TR-Rack/Audio/Combi/B/B58%20Heavenly%20Voices.mp3
Kurzweil K2000R: http://synthmania.com/Kurzweil%20K2000%20V3/Audio/Factory%20Presets/Programs/017%20Mixed%20Choir.mp3

Some nice sounds from the Kawai K4.


But if it's realism you're after, modern VI's can't be beat.

In rack form, maybe the new(ish) Roland Integra-7:

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Jul 12 16 5:08 PM

I have a couple of U-220's with a lot of cards, but they are so temperamental and hard to dial in. With sample tank, you first need to create a project with a host, then insert the desired sound then patch the out into the console

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Jul 12 16 5:17 PM

With the JV1080, there are the vocal patches in the Orchestral expansion board like Eric mentioned, but there is also a whole other board dedicated to just vocal sample synthesis, the Vocal Collection expansion.

There are a smattering of vocal type patches throughout the other boards...for instance, the Vintage Synth expansion has a bunch of mellotron/chamberlin vocal based patches.

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Jul 13 16 11:35 AM

I'm a little iphone challenged. With SampleTank, a daw host is needed, but it seems that "all"  hosts are a daw recorder. I used Peak, Reaper, PT etc. My ideal desire would be a device or "software" to house all my VST and AU plugs that would interface with a midi KB/controller with a 2 out that could be patched directly to the console therefore eliminating the daw and functioning like a true virtual stand alone instrument. As it is now, if I need a VST sound, I need to create a project in PT, Peak, or Reaper, insert the plugin, interface the controller and 2 out from the computer to the console. Perhaps I will use a dedicated old laptop and use Ardour as my host, and it will be available at a moments notice

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Jul 13 16 1:18 PM

chance wrote:
I'm a little iphone challenged. With SampleTank, a daw host is needed, but it seems that "all"  hosts are a daw recorder. I used Peak, Reaper, PT etc. My ideal desire would be a device or "software" to house all my VST and AU plugs that would interface with a midi KB/controller with a 2 out that could be patched directly to the console therefore eliminating the daw and functioning like a true virtual stand alone instrument. As it is now, if I need a VST sound, I need to create a project in PT, Peak, or Reaper, insert the plugin, interface the controller and 2 out from the computer to the console. Perhaps I will use a dedicated old laptop and use Ardour as my host, and it will be available at a moments notice

I was thinking the same here. A second computer might do nicely.

There are standalone VST hosts as well, Muse Research made the Receptor, which was high end:
http://www.museresearch.com/products/index.php

and SMPro has the V-Machine:
http://www.smproaudio.com/index.php/en/products/v-machines/v-machine

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Jul 13 16 1:32 PM

What Eric said, and you could also have a look at some of the software VST hosts. A few years ago, I used a host called Live Professor for my keyboard gig rig, running on a laptop.

http://audiostrom.com/

I had two MIDI controller keyboards (weighted piano controller and an old Hammond XB2 with drawbars) connected to the laptop via a MIDI interface, and a tiny audio interface with one output to my amp, and the other output going to the PA. All I had to do upon arriving at the venue was to power up the laptop and load my gig setup, and it would be ready by the time I had the keyboards set up and plugged in. I had all the sounds I needed ready to go - piano, Hammond, strings, Rhodes, Wurli and various synths. I had each VST instrument on a different MIDI channel, and was able to switch between them quickly by changing MIDI channel on either of the keyboards. That way, I could have piano + Hammond, piano + strings, Wurli + synth etc.

You could have a bunch of your favourite VST instruments ready to go on a laptop, and you'd just have to load the setup at the start of each session.

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Jul 13 16 3:35 PM

That V-machine looks like just what I need. The reason I use the Ooo's and Aha's is when doing canned BG vox, and incorporating a vocorder to reshape the Ooo's and Aha's into lyrics of whatever I am working on

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Jul 13 16 4:00 PM

I looked into getting a V Machine a while back, but was put off by a lot of people saying it was underpowered. However, I was hoping it could replace my laptop - which it couldn't.

It might work for you though - there's a recent post on the KVR forum from someone who said that they got Sampletank 2 SE working on it. It's the 3rd post from the bottom of this page (jojoB3):

https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=227030&start=2535

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Jul 13 16 5:56 PM

I found a used V-machine locally for a note in the key of C. If it serves my purpose great. If it doesn't, I should be able to get my $100 back by reselling. I need to study more. I saw in the manufacturers web site a photo of IK sample tank loaded in it. Now I am wondering if IK Miraslov Orchestra will also work. Looks promising. Thanks for the lead

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Jul 13 16 5:58 PM

chance wrote:
I'm a little iphone challenged. With SampleTank, a daw host is needed, but it seems that "all"  hosts are a daw recorder. I used Peak, Reaper, PT etc. My ideal desire would be a device or "software" to house all my VST and AU plugs that would interface with a midi KB/controller with a 2 out that could be patched directly to the console therefore eliminating the daw and functioning like a true virtual stand alone instrument. As it is now, if I need a VST sound, I need to create a project in PT, Peak, or Reaper, insert the plugin, interface the controller and 2 out from the computer to the console. Perhaps I will use a dedicated old laptop and use Ardour as my host, and it will be available at a moments notice

From what you are describing, it sounds like you want to press a MIDI patch or program change button on a MIDI controller and have it access an entire pre-loaded channel strip. If that's right, you might want to take a look at Ableton Live. It supports both AU and VST plug-ins. Apple MainStage is a dirt cheap option you could try but it only supports AU plug-ins. Blue Cat and Plogue make AU plug-ins that can host VST's though. Max MSP is another option but it might be a bit much. 

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Jul 13 16 8:07 PM

paulyd wrote:

chance wrote:
I'm a little iphone challenged. With SampleTank, a daw host is needed, but it seems that "all"  hosts are a daw recorder. I used Peak, Reaper, PT etc. My ideal desire would be a device or "software" to house all my VST and AU plugs that would interface with a midi KB/controller with a 2 out that could be patched directly to the console therefore eliminating the daw and functioning like a true virtual stand alone instrument. As it is now, if I need a VST sound, I need to create a project in PT, Peak, or Reaper, insert the plugin, interface the controller and 2 out from the computer to the console. Perhaps I will use a dedicated old laptop and use Ardour as my host, and it will be available at a moments notice

From what you are describing, it sounds like you want to press a MIDI patch or program change button on a MIDI controller and have it access an entire pre-loaded channel strip. If that's right, you might want to take a look at Ableton Live. It supports both AU and VST plug-ins. Apple MainStage is a dirt cheap option you could try but it only supports AU plug-ins. Blue Cat and Plogue make AU plug-ins that can host VST's though. Max MSP is another option but it might be a bit much. 

Thanks for that but I really want to eliminate a computer and daw completely. That V-machine seems to have that covered

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Jul 15 16 2:41 PM

Aw man. I hate getting old LOL When I try to add plugin's it says "failed" for each one I add (SampleTank 1, 2, &3) The laptop I am using is running Windows-7. I had to go to IK Multimedia "My products" and download the windows version on to this lap top. I was never asked for any authorization codes which I thought was odd because those codes are on the "My Products" tab. (Previously I was using the Mac version)

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Jul 15 16 4:08 PM

Yes. There is value in getting a powerful computer that will run all the things that you need for your production in one place. I wouldn't be willing to "suffer" in this way. But that's just me. I use my computers for creative tasks and I want them to be up for it. I don't want to spend any amount of time figuring out a work-around, a second or a third computer or an outside device. If I need a Vox patch, I want to make a track, add Omnisphere 2, look for a sound and play the part. At my place, everything is set up and ready to go. I can use Pro Tools or Logic. I have basically the same set up on my laptop and my MacPro. My MacBook can do some pretty impressive sessions.

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Jul 15 16 7:41 PM

extrememixing wrote:
Yes. There is value in getting a powerful computer that will run all the things that you need for your production in one place.

 

For the last 15 years, everytime I need to get a new computer I do extensive research on all the mobos, drives, CPU and memory chip benchmarks to make sure I get the absolute best performance available for whatever I can afford at the time. It's too important.

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