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chrisj

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Dec 9 16 10:24 AM

zmix wrote:
Larry, yes the plugin claims to reproduce a variety of desirable reverbs, including the Bricasti M7.
I call it a "race to the bottom" because each of these "emulations" cheapens the considerable efforts that the designers of the actual hardware which was sampled to make this plugin by providing only a cursory example of each, but while simultaneously boasting about the greatness of the hardware they've sampled.
They are peddling other people's intellectual property.   Sampling is Stealing™
They are appealing to the basest of human weakness: greed.
It is a race to the bottom.


I agree completely and this is why I quit running Airwindows as a commercial venture and went full Patreon (crowdfunding) knowing it would decimate my life (which it is)

Continuing on as things stood, would mean competing with people peddling other people's intellectual property. At least I'm in with a chance with the 'renegade developer starts giving everything away for free' thing. You can only fight a story with a rival story. That's what I'm trying to do.

As for reverbs, I still like my old original Midiverb :)

Chris Johnson, airwindows.com

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morespaceecho

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Dec 9 16 12:00 PM

i still use the midiverb2 i've had since high school.

dunno about the slate but fwiw the liquidsonics reverb is just a convolver. i like the bricasti IRs, i'm sure the hardware sounds better and is way more adjustable.

anyway if you have an IR verb, here's a bunch of weird-ass IRs you may or may not find useful:

http://www.echothief.com/downloads/

www.oldcolonymastering.com

morespaceecho.bandcamp.com

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minister

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Dec 9 16 1:05 PM

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Generally speaking, I don't like convolution reverbs as well as I like algorithms.  That could be just me.  

It is not just you. After an initial infatuation, I think the bloom (Har!) is off that rose. I prefer an algorithmic reverb now in almost every case -- even in small rooms which are hard to do. Covultions sound pinched and tanky to me. And, sometimes, pretty good!

Nice post Chuck! I'll be stealing your intellectual output........

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minister

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Dec 9 16 1:11 PM

Some ECM stuff I love, and some I hate. I love this "later" release of a master Oud player and Tunisian Composer Anouar Brahem. I love how the piano and oud and accordion blend so naturally. For anyone who loves modal music


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zmix

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Dec 9 16 2:05 PM

minister wrote:
Some ECM stuff I love, and some I hate. I love this "later" release of a master Oud player and Tunisian Composer Anouar Brahem. I love how the piano and oud and accordion blend so naturally. For anyone who loves modal music



Love that.


In the early 1880s, as was the fashion, ECM began to dabble in Digital recording...  This was one of their early, if not their very first,  Digital recordings...I remember my older brother had this on Vinyl and even back then I thought the drums had a horribly irritating texture, like every cymbal was a "sizzle"  cymbal, and the piano sounded so brittle..  Of course I bought it on CD and it sounds the same, so without further doo-doo, here it is in all it's mpeg glory...








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compasspnt

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Dec 9 16 2:50 PM

extrememixing wrote:
I agree with this post completely.  Just owning gear does not make one an expert.  Generally speaking, I don't like convolution reverbs as well as I like algorithms.  That could be just me. 


Nope you are not alone. I have never liked, and rarely used a convolution/IR reverb.

They never sound right to me.


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sayatnova

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Dec 9 16 2:59 PM

minister wrote:
Some ECM stuff I love, and some I hate. I love this "later" release of a master Oud player and Tunisian Composer Anouar Brahem. I love how the piano and oud and accordion blend so naturally. For anyone who loves modal music

This is really nice. Thank you. Sensitve, tasteful playing. Clear, coherent space for all. It would be really interesting to hear how it sounds with the reverb muted!

~Shea

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maarvold

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Dec 9 16 3:04 PM

One of the lessons that took a while for engineers I know and worked with to learn about digital is that you don't have to habitually boost top like most of them seemed to do with analog tape... same for bottom actually.  On the Weber, clearly, the top end is extended compared to what the cut minister posted sounds like: I would describe the sound of the oud and accordion on that one as beautifully dark, but I'd guess they are a somewhat romanticized representation of what they would sound like if you were hearing them without the electronics 'in the way'--it's hard to fully tell because the reverb has so much warm body to it.  The 1st Weber cut zmix posted leans toward the opposite direction, at least in the drums... and the reverb is not as lush-sounding, which also makes it less romanticized.  Excluding the reverb, to me it sounds a bit more like unadorned real people playing... which may, or may not, be good depending on one's point-of-view.  The drums & cymbals, of course, are brighter than they would be in reality.  

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minister

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Dec 9 16 4:54 PM

sayatnova wrote:

minister wrote:
Some ECM stuff I love, and some I hate. I love this "later" release of a master Oud player and Tunisian Composer Anouar Brahem. I love how the piano and oud and accordion blend so naturally. For anyone who loves modal music

This is really nice. Thank you. Sensitve, tasteful playing. Clear, coherent space for all. It would be really interesting to hear how it sounds with the reverb muted!

~Shea

You are welcome! It's a great record. My favorite of his, but all are great.  I actually wonder how much reverb was used... Hard to find any production details...
 

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oof.lucasmicrophone

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Dec 9 16 8:13 PM

Minister-- I LOVE that record. Beautiful example.
I used the M7 IR's for a long time until I bought a real M7. Being able to directly compare them was ear-opening. In this case, the hardware was ridiculously better. The IR's were phased and so much smaller. The hardware is just the space- you forget you're using it. I really only use IR's for FX verbs now.

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tom eaton

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Dec 10 16 11:34 PM

At one point I had more than a dozen (maybe 20) hardware reverbs kicking around here...now there are only two, a Lex 300 and a Sony DRE-S777, the first convolution verb. I almost sold the Sony last year and then I ran audio through it again...actually sounds amazing. I have never used an IR verb in the box, but this particular IR verb has some actual magic going on.

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zenmastering

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Dec 21 16 6:44 AM

minister wrote:
Some ECM stuff I love, and some I hate. I love this "later" release of a master Oud player and Tunisian Composer Anouar Brahem. I love how the piano and oud and accordion blend so naturally. For anyone who loves modal music

Thanks...it just figures that people here would know and appreciate this recording. Oddly enough, it was a plug-in developer (Gael Martinet of Flux) who first turned me on to it.

I often use his IRCAM reverb to fix blunted tails...works well.

Graemme

Graemme Brown **Zen Mastering** Gabriola, Canada 1.604.874.9096 info AT zenmastering DOT net

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