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podgorny

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Sep 17 16 1:18 AM

I quite like TDR's Nova. Good for unruly stuff. And like everyone else, I'm using EQuilibrium and Essence and Limitless. The MJUC has its place for some stuff, and every once in a while, Waves' RDeEsser does something I like. Speaking of Waves, I recently used VComp all over an old-school-style country album. I was surprised how well it worked. 

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JanP

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Sep 17 16 3:04 AM

I never do ITB only masters. I tried it occasionally, but never really liked it soundwise. I even go the analogue route for only one band of EQ. For easy recall I would love to work ITB but didnot find a reason for it soundwise. Maybe it works ok for somemodern, plastik sounding EDM stuff...
When working hybrid I use DMG Essence and Limitless and sometimes the TDR Kotelnikov. Havent found a transparent EQ plug in yet. The DMG or HOFA stuff isnt that bad thought.
The TDR nova I only use for quite harsh, digital sounding mixes as it smears the highs in quite distinct way (a plugin with a boxtone). I tried the Slick too, but find it sounding quite artefical too. The same goes for the Sonoris. All in all I mostly avoid digital EQs as theres more bad than good with them to my ears.

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jerry tubb

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Sep 17 16 5:02 AM

compasspnt wrote:
Well, I have most of the plug-ins mentioned, but I still prefer to do 95% of my EQing and compression (if any) thru the analogue chain.

I always use a plug-in limiter though.


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99%+ here Terry! Analog rules!
while I use a hybrid approach daily, in the last five years I've only done 2 ITB masters, both classical music where the artist didn't want the sound to change at all!
just some editing and slight level adjustments, with no plug-ins.
in hybrid-land I'll use a plug-in limiter (Xenon) at the end of the chain.
at the beginning of the path I'll often use an ITB EQ (Flux Epure 2) for corrective moves, as well a de-esser (Sonnox) for various band specific compression.
still interested in trying the DMG DS'er, but as they say "if it ain't broke..."
for the occasional after-master EQ touch up, I'll use the Sonic Studio Mastering EQ in soundBlade HD.
cheers, JT 

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maarvold

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Sep 17 16 11:16 AM

Haven't yet found a single DeEsser I love, but between using either Waves Ren DeEsser, UAD Precision DeEsser or Essence I've always been able to make myself happy.  

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Sep 17 16 5:53 PM

compasspnt wrote:
Has your former studio partner also tried other options, or just L3 and then stopped?


He's got a bunch of limiter/compressors (maybe even the Mercury Bundle) and whatever comes with Logic X, but L3 remains his favorite for stereo mixes. He has L1 and L2, as welll. 

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minister

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Sep 18 16 10:55 AM

ruairi wrote:

For de-essing try Fabfilter Pro-MB in Dynamic Phase mode, a single band in bell or shelf does the trick. I find it very controllable, predictable and benign when it digs in too much. I liked it much better than Fabfilter's dedicated de-esser.

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Ruairi

I have used both the FabFilter MB and their DS. They work for different things. Though, lately, for harshness control, peaky stuff (especially dialogue or voices in the 1.5-3K range), boomy stuff, AND/OR de-essing I am finding that the Melda MAuto Dynamic EQ to be the mst transparent and satisfying. 

https://www.meldaproduction.com/MAutoDynamicEq
 

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viitalahde

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Sep 21 16 2:24 PM

Well, there's progress. I bought Limitless and tried it out this evening for 15 minutes, on a doom metal project that was heavily limited with the Elephant. Steep learning curve, but I did get better results. Clipper seems great, and I even liked the multiband mode. Further use might prove things other way. Essence and Pro-MB I'm demoing out in the next few days.

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Sep 22 16 8:00 AM

silvertone wrote:

viitalahde wrote:
Well, there's progress. I bought Limitless and tried it out this evening for 15 minutes, on a doom metal project that was heavily limited with the Elephant. Steep learning curve, but I did get better results. Clipper seems great, and I even liked the multiband mode. Further use might prove things other way. Essence and Pro-MB I'm demoing out in the next few days.

I only use it in single band mode.  Multiband alters the program material too much.  Punchy preservers the attack transient.  Try it this way and see how you like it.  

True. This morning I'm already having different views about the MB mode. Thanks for tip about punchy! I set my parameters manually for the today's project, and sonically they're quite close to punchy mode.

Like the Equilibrium, this thing is deep. Now I'm only noticing my DAW needs an upgrade.. Luckily my motherboard seems to accept much a more powerful 6-core processor compared to the humble 2-core one I'm running now. Plug-ins were not this heavy back in 2009!

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Sep 28 16 12:06 PM

EQuilibrium, Limitless, and the limiter in Izotope 7 are in use here. The more I used Essence the less I liked it, sorry to say. It works, but for some reason the de-esser in the tc 6000 still sounds better to me.

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zenmastering

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Jan 23 17 10:35 PM

minister wrote:

ruairi wrote:

For de-essing try Fabfilter Pro-MB in Dynamic Phase mode, a single band in bell or shelf does the trick. I find it very controllable, predictable and benign when it digs in too much. I liked it much better than Fabfilter's dedicated de-esser.

Cheers
Ruairi

I have used both the FabFilter MB and their DS. They work for different things. Though, lately, for harshness control, peaky stuff (especially dialogue or voices in the 1.5-3K range), boomy stuff, AND/OR de-essing I am finding that the Melda MAuto Dynamic EQ to be the mst transparent and satisfying. 

https://www.meldaproduction.com/MAutoDynamicEq
 

I appreciate learning about the Melda 'MAutoDynamicEq' from you. I've been trying to find something that will, if not de-throne, then at least equal the Weiss hardware. Even though Essence is (control-wise) modeled after the Weiss box, I struggled to get it to sound good and de-ess at the same time. This comment comes after many, many days of trying...

The MAutoDynamicsEq and the Sonnox Supressor (in that order of preference) are what I now use when the Weiss is busy elsewhere...

However, the user-interface of the Melda plug is rather daunting at first ;->

For really nasty and/or singular artifacts, I still love Renovator.

Cheers,

Graemme

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Jan 23 17 11:48 PM

silvertone wrote:
  Multiband alters the program material too much.

100% MB can get a little squirrely.   I've gotten use to using the separation control to adjust/mix between wide band and MB and then adjust the weighting a bit in manual mode.  It's a deep plug that took some time to get comfortable with even though I disliked it a lot at first. Didn't get along with Essence on first try, but might give it a go again down the line. Hofa Player Maker is nice. Would be great if they did a 24 bit maker version for assembling and proofing the sides for vinyl.   I have a hard time staying all itb, but try it every once in a while, usually to no avail.

 

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Jan 24 17 7:37 AM

zenmastering wrote:

minister wrote:

ruairi wrote:

For de-essing try Fabfilter Pro-MB in Dynamic Phase mode, a single band in bell or shelf does the trick. I find it very controllable, predictable and benign when it digs in too much. I liked it much better than Fabfilter's dedicated de-esser.

Cheers
Ruairi

I have used both the FabFilter MB and their DS. They work for different things. Though, lately, for harshness control, peaky stuff (especially dialogue or voices in the 1.5-3K range), boomy stuff, AND/OR de-essing I am finding that the Melda MAuto Dynamic EQ to be the mst transparent and satisfying. 

https://www.meldaproduction.com/MAutoDynamicEq
 

I appreciate learning about the Melda 'MAutoDynamicEq' from you. I've been trying to find something that will, if not de-throne, then at least equal the Weiss hardware. Even though Essence is (control-wise) modeled after the Weiss box, I struggled to get it to sound good and de-ess at the same time. This comment comes after many, many days of trying...

The MAutoDynamicsEq and the Sonnox Supressor (in that order of preference) are what I now use when the Weiss is busy elsewhere...

However, the user-interface of the Melda plug is rather daunting at first ;->

For really nasty and/or singular artifacts, I still love Renovator.

Cheers,

Graemme
 

Glad the recommendation was useful to you. Yes, the user-interface is strange, or, as you say, daunting. Once I figured out how I like to use it, it is more transparent than any MB or side-chained De-essing solution. For quick things, I'll put the FabFilter DS on. But with dialogue, VO and Vocals, there are sometimes ssstill that slippery silvery snakey high sssSSSSsss that still bothers me. Melda is the only thing that kills it in a satisfying way. I often use them in tandem.
I tried Essence and it didn't blow my skirt up. Love Compassion and Equilibrium.
Like you with Renovator, I will use RX Spectral repair to clear out whistles and static-y esses (sometimes with De-crackle).

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zenmastering

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Jan 25 17 7:37 PM

zakco wrote:
On the subject of de-essers, has anyone tried this?

http://www.eiosis.com/e2deesser

I bought in on sale in December and I've been using it primarily on dialog,  but I'm curious if anyone here has tried it in a mastering context?

Hey Zak,

I have and I didn't like it for mastering. You bring up a good point: To me the litmus test for a mastering de-esser is it's ability to discriminate between wanted and unwanted material. Almost all of the de-essers I've tried work really well on individual elements but to my ears, only the ones I listed above are 'invisible' enough for full programme uses. 

Cheers,
Graemme

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Jan 26 17 12:28 PM

zenmastering wrote:
zakco wrote:
On the subject of de-essers, has anyone tried this?

http://www.eiosis.com/e2deesser

I bought in on sale in December and I've been using it primarily on dialog,  but I'm curious if anyone here has tried it in a mastering context?

Hey Zak,

I have and I didn't like it for mastering. You bring up a good point: To me the litmus test for a mastering de-esser is it's ability to discriminate between wanted and unwanted material. Almost all of the de-essers I've tried work really well on individual elements but to my ears, only the ones I listed above are 'invisible' enough for full programme uses. 

Cheers,
Graemme
Hi Graemme, it's been a while!

I thought the Eiosis one looked promising because of the way it separates the the sibilance from the rest of the signal and offers control over each element within the GUI. Perhaps they are on to something but just need to refine it further...

Funny to see Spitfish mentioned. I haven't used since I switched to Mac more than a decade ago! The same company had a very cool (and unique for its day) compressor called blockfish, which was fun when you wanted to destroy an instrument in a bombastic manner. These days every developer has something similar, but at the time it was really one of a kind!

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Jan 26 17 4:37 PM

blockfish has been my drum room compressor of choice for over a decade now. still going stong on PC with the jbridge 32/64 wrapper. the release in opto/complex mode is really something special. never heard anything else like it, digital or analog.

www.oldcolonymastering.com

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