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zmix

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Feb 16 17 9:52 AM

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Must be a blue moon...


I just discovered that Waveburner is no longer supported in OSX Sierra, in fact in their typically myopic / solipsistic way Apple stopped supporting it at the same time they discontinued providing CD/DVD ROM drives in their computers...

Meanwhile in the real world, I have a client requesting PMCD (he means DDP), and I need to find a replacement..!

I'd appreciate any advice for OSX (Sierra) compatible DDP authoring, and as this client is on a tight budget, I'd prefer not to blow the entire thing for software I only get calls for rarely these days....

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rbreen

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Feb 16 17 10:41 AM

Wavelab, Sonoris, Hofa, Triumph, QuattroDSP, Sonic,    I think those are the options right now.  If all you need to do is create DDPs, the Sonoris software is excellent and reliable and developer is very responsive.  Triumph is quite nice, very reasonably priced, and does a lot; very good if you need to do some actual processing - UI takes some getting used to, and doing 2-track editing in it is...interesting - company is very responsive.  QuattroDSP is functional if a bit awkward.  Wavelab is powerful - maybe overkill for your needs.  Haven't used the Hofa tools, but many seem to like them.

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Feb 16 17 10:49 AM

zmix wrote:
This looks interesting, too: http://www.audiofile-engineering.com/triumph/
 

 
I had used the predecessor to Triumph for a bit, and while it worked fine, it was like you had to complete a Sudoku puzzle to get there.
(still a nice utility app to have around) Ime/o, having the player maker app for the client, ..like the one at Hofa or Sonoris is an invaluable asset.

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zmix

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Feb 17 17 9:36 AM

I really appreciate all the suggestions...!!

I'm not looking for the all in one solutions that each of these programs claim to offer, just a variety of output options, so 99% of the capabilities of these programs will go unused, and as we're all experiencing, physical CDs are going the way of the Dodo.. as are the budgets

I'm going to download some trial versions and see what's what for myself.

To be honest, I never *loved* the way Waveburner worked, it was poorly integrated into the OSX standard, and weirdly inconsistent with Logic Pro (which it was bundled with).

In order of price (as of 12/17/17):

Audiofile Engineering Triumph: $79

Hofa CD-Burn & DDP: €79 ($84.20)

DSP Quattro: $99

Wavelab: $99

Sonoris DDP Creator: €249 ($265.41)

Wavelab Pro: $579

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todd loomis

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Feb 17 17 11:57 AM

zmix wrote:

Wavelab: $99

Wavelab Pro: $579

 

I do not believe Wavelab Elements for $99 includes DDP functionality...  I think you have to have the Pro version for that.

   It does a LOT more than just DDP, so if all you need is DDP functionality, it's definitely overkill.  For what it's worth though, I have found Wavelab to be a really amazing program...  the metering, the spectrum view, the mid-side functionality, and especially the montage...  it's very well designed.

 

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Justin P

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Feb 17 17 12:42 PM

Correct. WaveLab Elements does not have DDP suppprt. I would vote for WaveLab Pro. There is benefit to sequencing your master projects in a dedicated mastering DAW such as WaveLab. Then when you go to render all your misc. master files such as 16-bit/44.1k, 24-bit/high sample rate WAV, reference mp3, DDP, etc, you can be sure all the formats are cohesive when it comes to titles, spacing between songs etc.

WaveLab has some very powerful metadata tools that easily transpose clip names to marker names to CD-Text to ID3v2 metadata. It avoids lots of redundant data entry.

I tried moving to Triumph at one point but it's too convoluted and requires too many steps compared to doing the same tasks in WaveLab.

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Feb 17 17 1:36 PM

zmix wrote:
Audiofile Engineering Triumph: $79

Hofa CD-Burn & DDP: €79 ($84.20)

DSP Quattro: $99

Wavelab: $99

Sonoris DDP Creator: €249 ($265.41)

Wavelab Pro: $579
I've used Waveburner and DSP Quattro extensively, but I MUCH prefer Hofa.  Simple, intuitive workflow and the "DDP Player Creator" is a invaluable. If you don't need the extra functionality from Wavelab or Sonoris, it's a no-brainer.

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Feb 18 17 9:29 PM

Still Sonoris DDP Creator Pro here (OS 10.8.6 and 10.11.6).
No issues other than a known bug in the DDP Player app, when occasionally clients have exported files as VBR MP3 and track lengths are way off (file sizes seem correct, CBR is the work-around). This is to be fixed in a coming update.

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Feb 25 17 7:03 AM

I've been using DSP Quattro since dumping Waveburner. Some strange bugs and unintuitive workflows but ultimately useable.

Looking forward to an update. Long overdue! Last release was 11/15!

Will Russell

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Feb 26 17 3:52 PM

dcollins wrote:
Use and recommend Sonoris DDP creator

 
Used both DDP Creator and HOFA DDP Player Maker both yesterday and today.  For my purposes, the only thing that I miss from the CD Architect amd Waveburner days is the ability to zoom in on the file's overview and adjust the spacing by dragging the files.  

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Feb 28 17 1:29 AM

HOFA CD-Burn & DDP standalone is only $59.99 if you buy it through the Mac App Store. Considering how Logic Pro X 10.3.x handles stereo audio now, getting the sonics down in Logic then assembling/burning in HOFA might be a good way to go.

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