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Mar 5 17 10:02 PM

d gauss wrote:
my good friend, and monday night bandmate, arthur neilson's elviscaster:image  more info on the making of here:  http://www.arthurneilson.com/elvis.htm 

I know Arthur - he's a great guy and a great guitar player. Where do you guys play on Mondays?

And Doc, your guitars are the coolest. I love how you repurpose stuff.

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waltzmastering

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Mar 5 17 10:31 PM

ktownson wrote:
Ran across this pic while digging through some folders. Steve Morse's original tele/strat/whatever.

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That's one ugly guitar, but always like the Dregs.

Had an all maple Tele bass, late 70's that I don't remember much about,
except that there wasn't a clear coat, so maybe it wasn't the original finish,
but it played and sounded good.

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Mar 6 17 1:31 AM

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On the other hand, it might sound REALLY GOOD.

It did sound excellent.   I always try to refrain from saying awesome or wicked pissah

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zmix

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Mar 6 17 10:15 AM

Every guitarist I’ve ever worked with, and most of my friends, have all owned or regularly played Telecasters.  I’ve never been drawn to them, they just seemed like the un-sexiest guitar on earth.. give me a supple and curvy Strat or oblique-hipped Jazzmaster any day…  I’ve played a few really great Telecasters. but very rarely.  They always seemed to be from the 1950s ($$$$$), with very substantial but comfortable necks, super resonant light weight bodies, and surprisingly bright and somewhat delicate sounding pickups, the kind that really make you work to develop your tone…  Unfortunately the Telecasters I encountered most frequently were unexceptional: heavy 1990s era guitars with thin necks, a tone like Tupperware (rather than fine bone china), and blandly flat fingerboards finished in “satin” poly.  Ugh.

I recently started jonesing for a Tele, and set out to find an exceptional one.  I have a few friends who own 6 or 7 Telecasters who encouraged me to play as many as I can find.  

So that’s what I did…


I played about 20 Telecasters last week…  I went everywhere and played every possible new Fender 50s, 60s reissue, a few used, a few “relic” guitars, etc..  It felt like these new guitars were the victim of a game of “Chinese Telephone”, like they were mis-remembered, or influenced by someone’s nostalgia for a time that never existed.. or like a Christmas Tree ornament a friend spotted in Japan of Santa on a Crucifix…

There is also this ridiculous “modern” notion that a 7.25” radius  fingerboard is a bad thing, that you will “fret out” when bending notes.   Really?  Why do so many armchair experts propagate this nonsense?  I will state emphatically that the only reason guitarists even bend strings is because they grew up listening to people bending notes  on a 7.25” radius  fingerboard. “Modern” flat (oooh “fast”) fingerboards are such utter bullshit.  This preference alone eliminated 90% of the new Fenders available.

Onward…

 I was playing the new “1964” tele reissue  at Guitar Center in Times Square, ($2k!) it was pretty unexciting, not set up properly, then I saw a 74 Strat on the wall, I wanted to compare it with my own 74 strat, and when I picked it up *music* came out,  really nice,  super light, all straight, early 1974, so staggered magnet pickups, and good wood, etc, so much vibe, it felt like a musical instrument,  but have too many Strats… left there saying “If I can find a Tele that plays as nice as my 74 Strat, I’m in”

I went to another store and found my Telecaster.   It is a perfectly straight 1972 Telecaster, except that the previous (original) owner had stripped the finish and then lacquered the body.   It was very light weight, with a substantial neck, original tiny Fender frets (which I love).   When you hold the neck around the 12th fret and pick it up, it feels perfectly balanced and much lighter than it actually is.   I plunked down my cash and took it home in the 60s era gigbag they provided  (the original owner is bringing the OHSC from upstate in a few weeks).

As I walked home in the rain, I was waiting for the light to change at the corner and spied a guy in a yellow raincoat next to me - smoking - so I reflexively stepped away, suddenly that guy tapped me on the shoulder and said “What’s in the Bag?” It was Dan Courtney, the owner of Dan’s Chelsea Guitars… I’d been in his shop a lot recently (trying Teles, of course).  We stepped under an awning and I showed him the guitar..  he was initially hiding behind his “dealer face” ("Why would you buy a 72 Tele?"), then I handed it to him, saying *this* is why.. as soon as he had it in his hands his face lit up “Oh my god.. what a GREAT guitar.. this one has the *best* neck,, wow.. do you know how many Teles *don’t* have this neck?  Nice axe, brother..!!!    What a vindication..!

I got it home, set up the action and intonation, and just played it..  it’s so amazing.. I was noodling around on the first three strings and  I was hearing this “halo” effect, I discovered the lower three stings were all droning in sympathy, which should tell you how lively it is.


5 days on, this guitar has exceeded any expectation I ever had…  I have been on three phone calls while I was playing it and each time the person on the other end, who were all guitarists, oddly, asked “what guitar is that”? Or, “is that a 12 string?” etc…  one guy who was on a cell phone, but is a bit of a guitar collector, said “that sounds like an amazing guitar”…  so far no buyers remorse..!!!  😊

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seth

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Mar 6 17 10:23 AM

Nice, Chuck. Some people go through their entire lives and never find an instrument that speaks to them, so consider yourself lucky.

For reasons I don't understand, I've always preferred Fender basses with 7 1/4" radius, and Gibson guitars with a flatter radius.

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Mar 6 17 10:25 AM

Lates 60s/early 70s teles are my fav, because the pickups have a little different thing to them. I bet it will be amazing.

Looks almost exactly like my 68, my first full size electric. Refinished that same way, white pick guard originally (replaced with black triple ply).

Except that someone routed out the middle slot and slapped an EMG hum bucker in it! So I replaced that with a gibson.

I'm pretty sad about it... in the past few years, the treble pickup has somehow had the top plastic bend up a little bit. It only passes signal when I press down on it. Does anyone know of someone who might be competent to fix it? Heartbreaking.

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Mar 6 17 10:43 AM

gtoledo3 wrote:
Lates 60s/early 70s teles are my fav, because the pickups have a little different thing to them. I bet it will be amazing.


After I got my 74 strat I was so amazed by the nostalgic familiarity of the sound that I did some research and I discovered that from 1968 to late 1974 fender had issued an ECO from CBS to make "moar profit..!!" so one thing they did, starting around 1968 is to underwind the pickups (less copper = moar profit!!)  and to compensate for the reduced output they began to overcharge the magnets.   This gives pickups of that era a very special sound, extremely sensitive to the touch, bright and articulate and with a very pronounced "attack".   The most memorable Fender sounds I heard on all my brother's records were in my 74 Strat, David Gilmour's tone on "Wish you were here" (68 Tele and 69 Strat),   Jimi Hendrix Electric Ladyland (his favorite "new"  white 68 Strat), Robin Trower Bridge of Sighs and "Live' (1974 Strat) Tommy Bolin Teaser / Stratus (Billy Cobham) - (1974 Strat) Ritchie Blackmore on Machine Head (he played 1971-73 strats exclusively apparently), Jeff Beck Wired, "Orange album" , etc (1969 Strat).

I asked Dan From Chelsea guitars about this era and he said "1968 was a dramatic change in the sound of Strats and Teles.. either you loved it or you hated it".

After he saw my 72 Tele he commented "I think fender made some of their best guitars in the early 1970s"






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Mar 6 17 10:57 AM

So I have a question for you owners of older Telecasters.

I've had my 52 re-issue since 1984. I love it, but I have modded it. I have all the original parts, but here is what I did.
For all wondering it's a lovely butterscotch with a black pickguard and a large neck, which I love.

Back in 1990ish I replaced the bridge with a six saddle brass? unit.
I replaced the pickups with Fender noiseless pickups, the first versions.

Now I know some of you folks are all going humph..what a waste. But hear me out.
The bridge well I'm thinking about going back to the original.
The pickups...I have so much stray magnetic interference in my area and studio that it well just became easier to put in the noiseless pickups. The cavities are all shielded as is the pickguard.

The question I have is to do with the bridge.
What is the sonic difference between the six saddle brass version and the stamped steel three saddled one with brass pieces?

OK it's cold here

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Mar 6 17 11:20 AM

Congratulations on the new guitar, Chuck. It's always great when you find an instrument that sounds good and just feels right. I have pretty much kept to vintage Gretsch and Gibson guitars, but I appreciate what a Fender can bring to the party.

I have been playing the guitar for over 50 years and never owned a Telecaster. I had a Strat, but never a Tele. Maybe there's something in the air, because about six months ago I decided I wanted a Tele. I didn't want a new one particularly, but I tried some. I also tried a bunch of older MIM, MIA, etc. The best ones I tried weren't much better players, but they were priced way out of my budget. I was beginning to wonder whether I really wanted a Tele all that much because I didn't want to spend a lot of money. I ended up with a Squier Bullet Tele that cost about $130 new. It sounds like a Tele and is fun to play. The biggest issue I have with this instrument is the fret sprout, which I intended to deal with when I get time. I sent an email to the salesperson commenting about torn flesh from the raggedy-ass fret job and he wasn't very empathetic. He replied with a two word email, "Builds character".

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Mar 6 17 11:43 AM

zmix wrote:

gtoledo3 wrote:Lates 60s/early 70s teles are my fav, because the pickups have a little different thing to them. I bet it will be amazing.


 

After I got my 74 strat I was so amazed by the nostalgic familiarity of the sound that I did some research and I discovered that from 1968 to late 1974 fender had issued an ECO from CBS to make "moar profit..!!" so one thing they did, starting around 1968 is to underwind the pickups (less copper = moar profit!!)  and to compensate for the reduced output they began to overcharge the magnets.   This gives pickups of that era a very special sound, extremely sensitive to the touch, bright and articulate and with a very pronounced "attack".   The most memorable Fender sounds I heard on all my brother's records were in my 74 Strat, David Gilmour's tone on "Wish you were here" (68 Tele and 69 Strat),   Jimi Hendrix Electric Ladyland (his favorite "new"  white 68 Strat), Robin Trower Bridge of Sighs and "Live' (1974 Strat) Tommy Bolin Teaser / Stratus (Billy Cobham) - (1974 Strat) Ritchie Blackmore on Machine Head (he played 1971-73 strats exclusively apparently), Jeff Beck Wired, "Orange album" , etc (1969 Strat).

I asked Dan From Chelsea guitars about this era and he said "1968 was a dramatic change in the sound of Strats and Teles.. either you loved it or you hated it".

After he saw my 72 Tele he commented "I think fender made some of their best guitars in the early 1970s"

Aha...that explains a lot, and confirms conclusions I have had based on observation.

I may be wrong, but I think that the pole pieces are also physically larger on that era Tele treble pickup. Maybe the 70s strats as well, come to think of it... aside from being overcharged, as you say. More rock sounding.

You don't see people reference Tommy Bolin too much anymore, Teaser is a great record... Stratus too.

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Mar 6 17 11:53 AM

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You don't see people reference Tommy Bolin too much anymore, Teaser is a great record... Stratus too.

A very underrated and more obscure guitarist who passed away, way too young.
Private Eyes is also a good album, although not recorded great if I remember.
Have those on vinyl
Think he also played a bit in the James Gang and Deep Purple as well

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Mar 6 17 11:54 AM

Humm...I have a Fender CS 1969 Strat. Anyone know if they tried to replicate the late 1960's - 70's era pickups or are they the standard fare from 1999ish?

OK it's cold here

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Mar 6 17 12:12 PM

I'm still happy with my MIM Tele. Sounds and feels great. And the edge of the fret board is nice and smooth. I paid $225... And no "fret sprout" with sharp edges.

Steve

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Mar 6 17 12:12 PM

Well-done, Chuck!

A great guitar is a great guitar is a great guitar, regardless of era. I always tell the story of how the two best Stratocasters I ever played were a 1963 factory refin in candyapple red and an early '90s Squier that the owner wouldn't sell, because he knew.

When you find a good one, don't let go!

brad allen williams

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Mar 6 17 1:05 PM

I am not much of a Strat guy, but my brother has a great one. It's from the '80s, one of the first reissues they mad ('55? '64? I dunno). But it's just so good. Every time I play it I think, "aha, that's why people dig Strats so much."

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