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Mar 9 17 1:02 PM

My experience with Taylors is that they sound gorgeous, huge, and open when finger-picked, but when strummed hard with a flat pick the sound collapses. I was very surprised and disappointed.

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jesse decarlo

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Mar 9 17 8:13 PM

I'll say one thing for Taylors: at the mid-level and above, the stock pickup systems that I've heard are better than average.

Of course, when it comes to acoustic guitar pickups, that's like saying your last experience with kidney stones was better than average

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Mar 11 17 12:10 PM

jesse decarlo wrote:
I'll say one thing for Taylors: at the mid-level and above, the stock pickup systems that I've heard are better than average.

Of course, when it comes to acoustic guitar pickups, that's like saying your last experience with kidney stones was better than average

 
I LOL'ed.  I have yet to be excited by the sound of a plugged in acoustic guitar.  Certainly, I have not even heard a majority of the designs though.  

Regarding parts swap outs: I do it if there's a sonic target in mind... I change out things that are incorrectly implemented in 'reissues' for example--aluminum replaces zinc, bone replaces plastic, 50's wiring replaces modern wiring.  Changes of this type have gotten me closer to the target.  

Regarding brass, I had heard/read that brass emphasizes even numbered harmonics and is thought to be 'musical-sounding'.  Orville Gibson was said to have tap-tap-tapped on the pieces of wood, listening to how they sounded, when he assembled his instruments.  This seems to me to be a very solid approach to doing things.  A friend, who is a Tele maniac and assembles his own instruments, said he does the same thing and this approach was endorsed by a very experienced craftsman from one of the custom shops.  My friend showed me 2 unassembled bodies and necks and tapped on them to show me the musical relationships of their pairings.  There were two very different harmonic relationships and I could easily hear how they each might work very well together as a pair. 

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Mar 12 17 12:02 PM

maarvold wrote:

jesse decarlo wrote:
I'll say one thing for Taylors: at the mid-level and above, the stock pickup systems that I've heard are better than average.

Of course, when it comes to acoustic guitar pickups, that's like saying your last experience with kidney stones was better than average

 
I LOL'ed.  I have yet to be excited by the sound of a plugged in acoustic guitar.  Certainly, I have not even heard a majority of the designs though.  
 

I have been somewhat surprised to discover that, when doing a live recording, if the acoustic guitar is going through an "acoustic amp," putting a mic on the amp can be a big improvement over using the pickup output directly. Still not like a mic right on the guitar, of course, but I'll take any help I can get in those situations. 

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Mar 12 17 12:32 PM

jesse decarlo wrote:

maarvold wrote:

jesse decarlo wrote:
I'll say one thing for Taylors: at the mid-level and above, the stock pickup systems that I've heard are better than average.

Of course, when it comes to acoustic guitar pickups, that's like saying your last experience with kidney stones was better than average

 
I LOL'ed.  I have yet to be excited by the sound of a plugged in acoustic guitar.  Certainly, I have not even heard a majority of the designs though.  

 

I have been somewhat surprised to discover that, when doing a live recording, if the acoustic guitar is going through an "acoustic amp," putting a mic on the amp can be a big improvement over using the pickup output directly. Still not like a mic right on the guitar, of course, but I'll take any help I can get in those situations. 

I'm a big believer, in general terms, in the value of recording what the player is listening to. If the player is responding and reacting to what the amp is giving her, it seems like a VERY good idea to me to record that, moreso than the DI signal she's not even monitoring. 

 

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Mar 12 17 1:47 PM

jesse decarlo wrote:
I have been somewhat surprised to discover that, when doing a live recording, if the acoustic guitar is going through an "acoustic amp," putting a mic on the amp can be a big improvement over using the pickup output directly. Still not like a mic right on the guitar, of course, but I'll take any help I can get in those situations.  

soapfoot
I'm a big believer, in general terms, in the value of recording what the player is listening to. If the player is responding and reacting to what the amp is giving her, it seems like a VERY good idea to me to record that, moreso than the DI signal she's not even monitoring.  

 Brad and Jesse: both good points.  For me, there's something about the sound of guitar or bass through an amp that helps those instruments to 'sit' in perspective in the track--in a way, sort of related to what analog 'glue' does for digital recordings.  

P.S., I'm proud of how the quote function worked out!

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Mar 12 17 2:09 PM

Yes, excellent point about recording what the player hears. In my experience it is most common for acoustic guitar players to monitor through floor wedges rather than having an amp, and you can't really mic the wedge if there are other instruments in the monitor mix. But now that I've put all this together in my head, I see a big advantage to using an amp in these situations.

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Mar 12 17 4:31 PM

maarvold wrote:

 

 
I LOL'ed.  I have yet to be excited by the sound of a plugged in acoustic guitar.  Certainly, I have not even heard a majority of the designs though.  


 

sunrise.  i like & use.  perfect? no, but no piezo fake plastic bs either.  think keef & richard thompson (users for decades)  http://www.sunrisepickups.com/

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Mar 13 17 8:31 AM

d gauss wrote:
sunrise.  i like & use.  perfect? no, but no piezo fake plastic bs either.  think keef & richard thompson (users for decades)  http://www.sunrisepickups.com/

soapfoot
K&K still my favorite acoustic pickup. I'm an endorser, full disclosure.

Good to know.  

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Mar 13 17 8:50 AM

The "Pure Mini" is GREAT from K&K.

3 transducers that you affix to the underside bridge plate with cyanoacrylate (can be helpful to pay a professional). Sounds MUCH less plasticky than any under-saddle piezo I've heard.

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Mar 13 17 7:01 PM

soapfoot wrote:
K&K still my favorite acoustic pickup. I'm an endorser, full disclosure.

I'm no endorser, but yeah, that is the pickup I have found. Lance McCollum, who built me the best acoustic I have ever had, turned me onto those.

Brad, have you ever fed that into one of Fire-Eye Development's Red-Eye Acoustic Instrument preamps?

Both my McCollums, and Shaidri's '69 J-50, rebuilt by Lance when he was apprentice to Luke Wilson, hence not really a J-50 anymore, but a really good sounding guitar, run through the Red-Eye boxes. We use Red-Eye Twins, with her fiddle and my mandolin into the second input.

 

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Mar 13 17 7:03 PM

soapfoot wrote:
The "Pure Mini" is GREAT from K&K.

3 transducers that you affix to the underside bridge plate with cyanoacrylate (can be helpful to pay a professional). Sounds MUCH less plasticky than any under-saddle piezo I've heard.

I keep saying feed one of those to a Red-Eye Acoustic Instrument preamp, and the plastic is gone.

Find Bll Mueller's comments in DI threads here, about what he thinks fo their Dee-Eye, the simplest version of the preamp.
 

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Mar 13 17 8:39 PM

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In an attempt to put this topic back on track, I worked with an artist for years who had a Godin / Ferrington "Acoustic" Tele with Piezo pickup..

Two Words: Fucking horrible.
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zmix wrote:
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In an attempt to put this topic back on track, I worked with an artist for years who had a Godin / Ferrington "Acoustic" Tele with Piezo pickup..

Two Words: Fucking horrible.
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I couldn't agree more! The Matelicaster

Chance Pataki The Musicians Workshop www.the-musicians-workshop.com musicians.workshop@gte.net

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Mar 13 17 9:58 PM

I never quite understood putting piezoelectric pickups in solid body guitars and claiming "acoustic" sound. Piezoelectric pickups don't even sound acoustic when they're installed on acoustic guitars.

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Mar 13 17 11:43 PM

soapfoot wrote:
I never quite understood putting piezoelectric pickups in solid body guitars and claiming "acoustic" sound. Piezoelectric pickups don't even sound acoustic when they're installed on acoustic guitars.

True, but to be fair, the Godin had a thin, braced spruce top and routed out mahogany body.... IIRC, YMMV, RTFM, FWIW...

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Mar 14 17 9:39 AM

zmix wrote:

soapfoot wrote:I never quite understood putting piezoelectric pickups in solid body guitars and claiming "acoustic" sound. Piezoelectric pickups don't even sound acoustic when they're installed on acoustic guitars.

True, but to be fair, the Godin had a thin, braced spruce top and routed out mahogany body.... IIRC, YMMV, RTFM, FWIW...

Fair enough! But they did that on the Parker Fly, etc. too!

brad allen williams

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