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weedywet

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Feb 26 17 12:50 AM

all Ovation acoustics in this; *I* don't think it sucks:



and the strumming high string guitars in this chorus:



in here in the back, but solo at about 2:50


strumming:



and as the main instrument:

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owlander

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Feb 26 17 1:09 AM

trock wrote:
Hi

I have never had one and wondered what your thoughts were on recording them? and the quality of the sound?

they seem very different, and the one sameple i heard seemed sort of flat and muted , but that was youtube

are they mostly known for playing live and going direct? vs traditional mic'ing?

thanks

 


I don't mind playing them but they slide off your leg easy cause the back is rounded. I think they're mostly considered electric acoustic, but there's no rules.

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Feb 26 17 11:24 AM

The Ovation acoustic guitar sounds great in the Patty Smyth song. I had a hard time picking it out of the Outfield tune. Weedy, once again, proves what a great engineer/producer can do with an instrument some might not care for. It also makes me wonder what "Gaucho" would have sounded like if it had been produced by WW.

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Feb 26 17 12:24 PM

I say all the time that "tone" is not about gear or even technique as much as it's about the aesthetic sensibility of the musician, and their ability to contextualize what the instrument is giving them in a musically/emotionally meaningful way. Show me a "bad sounding guitar" and I'll find you a person who can turn that sound into a strength by placing it in a meaningful context.

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Feb 26 17 12:36 PM

What you describe, Brad, is exactly the experience I had recording the songwriter who wanted to use an Ovation for some overdubs.

One of those experiences that tends to lead me to usually just try out an idea when possible, than get into debates about how it might be.

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Feb 26 17 1:43 PM

scullyfan wrote:
It also makes me wonder what "Gaucho" would have sounded like if it had been produced by WW.
 

4'33"?

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Feb 26 17 1:47 PM

scullyfan wrote:
I had a hard time picking it out of the Outfield tune. 

Easier to hear without crummy YouTube transcoding. It adds great sparkle.

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James May

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Mar 21 17 5:47 PM

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I still own a couple of very nice Ovations from the early 70s. To me, the deep bowl, non-electrics sound best, especially with a bone saddle replacement.

I was curious just how good they could sound. My conclusion, after hearing quite a few, is that they can be very warm sounding, but ultimately lack the complexity and low end of a good all wood guitar. Another "feature" is that the curved back isolates the player from just how loud they are projecting.

As WW said, they do make a very nice high-strung guitar. I supposed it plays to their strengths. One of mine is set up that way. If anyone's interested, I can dig up the exact string gauge set I came up with to end up with the same tension as a set of acoustic light strings.

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Mar 21 17 10:56 PM

Melissa Etheridge sold quite a few records playing Ovations. Didn't seem to hold her back at all. Not that I love them, but really?

Steve

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Mar 22 17 12:42 PM

One thing that hasn't been mentioned here are the (I believe) Adamas models. These were the high-end Ovations with the multiple soundholes rather than the standard opening. I know this eventually filtered down to some lower end guitars but the original was pretty remarkable acoustically. A thousand years ago, I was playing in a band in Sausalito, CA and we had to play for Sunday brunch. Yep, a dream gig..
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Anyway, during a break, a guy came up and asked if we minded if he and his friends played a couple tunes out on the patio. Of course we said, yes, as this might get us out of playing to a non-responsive crowd for a few minutes. Turns out it was the Dawg band minus Mr. Grisman. The guitarist had a brand new hot off the press Adamas and it was quite amazing. Sounded lovely and louder than God's farts.We sat stunned for about 30 minutes until they were done and thanked us. Never felt more like the thanks should have been reversed in my life.

So the original Adamas might be a different animal, at least acoustically. Thoughts?

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Mar 22 17 8:06 PM

Wow, cool story!

My observation is that many ovations i come accross with the standard sound hole haven't aged well.

Hallamsound Productions.

Last Edited By: hallams Mar 22 17 8:10 PM. Edited 1 time.

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soapfoot

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Mar 22 17 10:19 PM

extrememixing wrote:
Melissa Etheridge sold quite a few records playing Ovations. Didn't seem to hold her back at all. Not that I love them, but really?

Steve

If someone has songs that an audience wants to hear, a Sears & Roebuck guitar probably wouldn't hold them back.

brad allen williams

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John Eppstein

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Mar 25 17 6:35 PM

weedywet wrote:
mine (which I keep strung high string) isn't electric at all.
Celebrity model.

Weedy, you'r making me think that if I get my finances back together I might look for an Ovation acoustic for high string/Nashville stuff. As it is the only Nashville tuned guitar we have in the studio is a Squier Strat. Need an acoustic. Ovations are pretty cheap right now and fairly consistent across any given model line. Don't want the pickup, I don't like ducks unless they're already cooked.

And anybody who thinks the Ovation pickup is the best system availble for acoustic guitar hasn't played many ac pickup systems. My current favorite is the LR Baggs Anthem system - have one in my '59 J-200 (it was already drilled for the endpin jack when I got it). It might feed back on a really LOUD stage but I don't plan on doing any AC/DC covers with it. If it's good enough for Emmylou live... Wouldn't take it over my KM84 for recording, of course, but almost certainly would over a 57...image

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Mar 26 17 1:34 AM

I actually like 57 on acoustic sometimes.

And the K&K stuff is much preferred, to me, over any other system I've tried.

brad allen williams

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scullyfan

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Mar 26 17 8:05 AM

The only time I've ever used SM57s for acoustic guitar is for live sound and I've never been unhappy with the results. In the studio it's pretty hard not to use one of the "subjectively" better options when you have the choice (KM84, C414EB, MKH404, etc.).

As far as built-in pickup systems, does anyone know what Taylor is doing in their T5 model for the body pickup? Whatever they have in there seems to work in a regular Fender stage amp without sounding weird. I've done a couple outdoor stage shows with a T5 12-string and we ran it through an amp (which was miked) instead of a DI into the PA and it sounded great. The T5 has an inductive pickup near the bridge, but it has two other "proprietary" systems that are hidden inside. Any combination of the three pickups seems to sound good through an amp.

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soapfoot

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Mar 26 17 9:19 AM

scullyfan wrote:
The only time I've ever used SM57s for acoustic guitar is for live sound and I've never been unhappy with the results. In the studio it's pretty hard not to use one of the "subjectively" better options when you have the choice (KM84, C414EB, MKH404, etc.).

 

To paraphrase a chopsticks wrapper from Chinese take-out: if what you need is "the typical and traditional of the acoustic guitar's glorious history and culture" then one of those subjectively better options is indeed the right move!

But sometimes that's not what I want, and I occasionally choose a 57 on acoustic guitar for a similar reason I might choose an upright piano over a freshly-tuned Steinway D.

It's a different color on the palette; a valid one... nasal, smaller, boxy, less 'pretty', and it evokes different things. It's all a matter of opinion, but to me, if a gorgeous high-fidelity acoustic guitar is out of character for the recording, it can be just as "wrong." 

For instance-- the below recording has an "awful" acoustic guitar sound. It's boomy and boxy and one-dimensional and weird. But that awful sound also is part of a complete picture wherein it fits. It sounds more dystopian and 'broken' and vulnerable, if that makes sense, which (to me) supports the vocal and lyric very appropriately. I don't think a gorgeous, shimmery D28 recorded with a KM54 would've done a better job of "selling" the song's emotion, or painting the picture. I actually think, in context, such a sound may have been out of character and could've even weakened the overall artistic statement. And certainly would've made the record less distinctive.






 

brad allen williams

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trock.lucasmicrophone

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Mar 28 17 9:54 AM

Thanks all for the great replies and stories!

@WW - this will be THE dumb question of the day, but what do you mean "High string" guitar? is it just a lighter gauge of string? and if so what do you use with the ovation? I liked alot of what I heard in those video's also was and am a BIG outfield fan!

@Scully - I am not sure about the T5 but I bought a custom, Ovangkol Taylor acoustic about 3 years ago at sweetwater's gearfest. I think it has dual mics in it? and a different bracing inside. this youtube makes it sound thin but its the loudest acoustic I have ever had, and its very nice and articulate



min is the first one

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