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Mar 31 17 6:15 PM

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Last night I had a strange session with a 15 yr old client of mine in a studio out near San Diego. I got there early, mic'd everything up, checked levels etc. Then left to get some greeze before the session. After dinner, what you see in this video, is like what I saw when I returned. I thought WTF?? There were over a hundred people in there! The studio, the kitchen, the lounge, patio, interview room, everywhere! I wasn't fully informed what was going on. This studio is owned by Tom Yearsley whose wife was the late blues singer Candye Kane. What I couldn't get used to is that there was no sound separation between the CR and the TR, so I couldn't monitor what was going on tape  We rolled tape @ 30ips and it was like going back in time. In Tom's back room was a treasure of old vintage machines that hit home with me. A wire recorder and a portable Presto acetate lathe. He had this huge 35mm film 3D projector. The monitors looked just like my 4311's, but he said they're not. I can't remember what he said they are. I shot this video with my little MP4 recorder. I prefer working in my own place because I know where all my bones are buried. Anyone record in the same room as the artist. (CR & TR all in one)? No privacy if you happen to make a comment about someone who is recording
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Mar 31 17 6:28 PM

Looks like a cool thing to me! They are obviously doing some live videos.
I love working all in the same room. It's my preference for sure.

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Mar 31 17 7:26 PM

I do remotes in houses sometimes where I'm sitting in the same room as the players and my only monitoring is headphones.  I generally have to wait for some playbacks to make sure everything is cool.  

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Mar 31 17 7:26 PM

Chance, I REALLY enjoyed that!

Some of the most fun I've ever had recording MY band in the studio was when we had the doors open between the studio and CR with the recorder set to playback in the CR monitors. The tape slap sound coming from the CR sounded pretty righteous in the studio and put everybody in a delightfully playful mood. The vibe went from somewhere between John McLaughlin and Ry Cooder to Timothy Leary and beyond. I have NEVER done that with a paying customer and I'm pretty sure I never will, but at least my band got to have some fun on my dime. As far as the recordings go, meh. Background music for looking at old photos during the band's 35 or 40 year reunion.

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Apr 1 17 7:24 AM

This type of recording works when you are trying to capture the moment or performance. If you are trying to create the moment or enhance the performance through studio trickery than this technique is not the way to go. 

This is how my mastering room is set up. I record with the bands in there with me. There are pluses and minuses to working like this but I've done it for over 25 years now so I have it down... I have the same headphone mix as the band,  isolated cabinets in other rooms, multiple headphone stations, etc... 

The real plus is the communication factor, things go quickly and you are always in the moment with the band. You stay concentrated on the performance and recording much like mixing a live show. No distractions like you can get in a control room environment. You also get to be the audience to the band. I have found over the years that bands tend to perform a bit better when they have an audience to play to. 

The big negative is not being able to solo and isolate tracks while they are going down unless you set up a separate headphone mix for yourself.  I use to but don't bother as I keep everything mic'd up and ready to go.  I know my sounds and levels.  Also you have to stay in the moment yet move quietly.  All my pre's are in the live room next to each instrument. So I'm in my socks moving around the room. 

No video will upload for me... so here is a link to my Instagram pictures.  There are plenty of shots and videos explaining what the open floor recording concept is like...

Here a link to an old YouTube video I did.  The Langevin tube console is now in place of the Electrodyne.  
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q-RH4QszNQk

Here is a more recent video... oh well Lefora won't upload it and Instagram doesn't have a way to link it.

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Apr 1 17 11:09 AM

Don't get me wrong, I did enjoy it, but my preference is the isolation between a CR and the TR. When trying to get things ready with a drummer warming up and a guitar player tuning in his sound all in the same room can be nerve racking. It's really hard to make musicians keep quiet for a while. My CR is like sanctuary. They can do anything they want. All I need to do is turn them down or off. Fortunately, in this case, everything was ready and dialed in before the festivities began.

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Apr 1 17 2:07 PM

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Larry,

What kind of headphones do you like to use to monitor the band during tracking?

Just plain old AKG 240's for everyone. Nothing special.

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Apr 2 17 4:27 PM

Something I failed to mention, and it was not in the video. They had floodlights on the floor and one of them was knocked over on to a rug and started smoking. When I stopped the band, all the 100+ audience turned to me with angry remarks like, "Why did you stop them? they were sounding so good etc". Even the kid with my small videocam stopped rolling. Yeah. It was all my fault. I don't care for these types of live sessions with a hundred look e loo's. Don't like mixing live concerts either. I've done quite a few, but they are too stressful

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Apr 2 17 5:54 PM

chance wrote:
Something I failed to mention, and it was not in the video. They had floodlights on the floor and one of them was knocked over on to a rug and started smoking. When I stopped the band, all the 100+ audience turned to me with angry remarks like, "Why did you stop them? they were sounding so good etc". Even the kid with my small videocam stopped rolling. Yeah. It was all my fault. I don't care for these types of live sessions with a hundred look e loo's. Don't like mixing live concerts either. I've done quite a few, but they are too stressful

Yeah, that would be a bummer.

I hope they thanked you in the end Chance, sounds like it could have been a disaster. 

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