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barry hufker

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Mar 31 17 12:02 AM

Where are all the Seeger albums?  In the closet, next to the skis and the Procol Haram records.  Come on baby, Rock 'n' Roll never forgets (where the albums are).

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zmix

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Apr 2 17 8:10 AM

For me the most important point that this excellent article has brought into the mainstream (NPR, sure!) is that streaming is a blatant rip-off for most artists.

Good for Seger and Co for standing their ground.

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Apr 2 17 9:28 AM

zmix wrote:
For me the most important point that this excellent article has brought into the mainstream (NPR, sure!) is that streaming is a blatant rip-off for most artists.

Good for Seger and Co for standing their ground.

  
(from the article) "Seger's absence from digital services, combined with the gradual disappearance of even physical copies of half his catalog, suggest a rare level of indifference to his legacy."


Whether it's indifference or a lack of projected reward for him, if that's how he wants it, I don't see anything wrong with that... I actually find it kind of refreshing that, as a side effect, for once in life the "early adopters" are actually rewarded with added value due to their insight (instead of punished, which is how many entities seem to treat early adopters).  

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Apr 2 17 11:34 AM

I definitely won't stand by all of the business policies of various streaming companies, b/c it's all pretty wacky...

However.

For an artist like Seger, or any artist who has sold tens of millions of records, there winds up being a bigger chance that someone who is using a streaming service, already owns your record in some form, and now you are getting extra money on top of them having already purchased it. Notwithstanding the issue with some of his catalog being out of print.

When a really popular catalog artist doesn't put their stuff on a streaming service, it sort of makes me face palm a bit for that precise reason. It's like... "dude, I already bought this on tape/vinyl, I probably bought it on CD again, and now I'm using this streaming service because I like the interface of the app, and want a good software jukebox. And now you would be making more money on top, if it was on this app, but it is not."

I also always think that the comparisons of payouts for streaming vs a radio play, are really apples and oranges considering that probably only one person is listening to a given stream, or a few at most.

What I think is a raw deal, are the people that have contracts that have put them in positions where they can't choose. And the default deals certainly don't make sense for most artists, new releases, etc.

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Apr 2 17 6:03 PM

Tim is very smart, and is a good writer. 
So I think he mostly kept his personal POV out of being obvious   
But he almost no doubt would feel being on streaming services would be BETTER for Seger than the present status quo. 

Tim tends to be very internets positive. 
He went from Rhapsody to heading Google Play until he left to start his current, own, platform Freeform. 

He believes that a model more like gaming (where free content teases up sells and in app purchase add ons etc. ) is the way for music to make money. 


 

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Apr 2 17 6:15 PM

weedywet wrote:
Tim is very smart, and is a good writer. 
So I think he mostly kept his personal POV out of being obvious   
But he almost no doubt would feel being on streaming services would be BETTER for Seger than the present status quo...

 

 
But Bob clearly doesn't think some of his back catalog is 'up to snuff' with his later stuff.  He might be taking the position he has for that reason.  I used to study with a pretty unconventional, yet highly regarded (think guru) guitar teacher who wrote a book by hand and distributed copies to some of his students; five years later when I went back for some 'tune up' lessons I asked him about his book.  He said, "I wish I could get back every copy and burn them".  He does now have at least one published book on the market and it is quite a bit more conventional than what I remember his earlier book being.  

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Apr 2 17 6:50 PM

weedywet wrote:


He believes that a model more like gaming (where free content teases up sells and in app purchase add ons etc. ) is the way for music to make money. 



 

+1.

 

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zmix

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Apr 3 17 7:47 AM

weedywet wrote:
Tim is very smart, and is a good writer. 
So I think he mostly kept his personal POV out of being obvious   
But he almost no doubt would feel being on streaming services would be BETTER for Seger than the present status quo. 

Tim tends to be very internets positive. 
He went from Rhapsody to heading Google Play until he left to start his current, own, platform Freeform. 

He believes that a model more like gaming (where free content teases up sells and in app purchase add ons etc. ) is the way for music to make money. 


 

I think that the writer has a pretty "generic" attitude about this, as do most who shudder at Seger's "decisions", but consider all of this from the perspective of a non-meglomaniacal, humble self effacing artist who’s already made millions of dollars…..  very interesting I  think in these days of hypercapitalism and corporate profit uber alles…

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Apr 3 17 11:47 AM

He does seem to have that bunker mentality that many artists develop after getting screwed over so many times in a long career. If he has enough money to be comfortable without selling out to streaming services, more power to him. Not many artists are willing to leave money on the table just for the principle of it.

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