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Got a prj coming up in June and am puzzled when importing files into my HDR. A big thank you to Mike Rivers for his help, but I think this is a Protools issue. I have imported many PT projects in the past with no problems. At first he sent me around 40 tracks. I am limited to 24 trks. This client is new to PT. and at first sent me Hi Hat trks L&R, Bass drum L&R etc. I informed him "there is no need for L&R on everything, so he got it dowh to 19 trks wav files. Now my problem is,, when I import those 19 wav file tracks, they "still" import all those L&R wav file tracks. Any thought how I might advise him? Perhaps "Consolidate tracks"?

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Apr 11 17 1:45 PM

I use StereoMonoizer on every project, saves disk space, time, money, the environment, etc...:


https://www.soundizers.com/


If you have ever spent hours on end preparing audio files for a mix, StereoMonoizer is about to become your new best friend. For the first time ever, you can automatically analyze audio files, determine their stereo content, and convert to the correct format, before you import into your DAW. That way, you can get a lot more out of your mix system. Drastically cut your CPU usage, use fewer voices, take up less space on your hard drive, and have better session organization. StereoMonoizer makes all of this possible, and more.





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Apr 11 17 1:59 PM

chance wrote:
Thanks Chuck, I will pass this info on

Chance, I use it at my end, as a mixer...  I got tired of trying to educate my clients about exporting files, and this program simply makes it a non issue.

I am recommending that *you* try it..!

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chance wrote:
This client is new to PT. and at first sent me Hi Hat trks L&R, Bass drum L&R etc. I informed him "there is no need for L&R on everything, so he got it dowh to 19 trks wav files. Now my problem is,, when I import those 19 wav file tracks, they "still" import all those L&R wav file tracks. Any thought how I might advise him? Perhaps "Consolidate tracks"?


 


Anything that's a stereo track in Pro Tools will import to the HDR as two separate tracks (-L and -R) since the Mackie software uses only mono WAV files for its tracks.  (Remember, the Mackie HDR design is practically 20 years old).  So if some of his "mono" Pro Tools tracks are actually stereo WAV files with the same thing on both channels, that's where your bloat is coming from. And given that your client is new to Pro Tools, it's likely that he started with a default template with all stereo tracks.

If you know for sure that it's a mono track, you can just import the stereo track, then pick either the -L or -R file from the Regions list to drag into your project.

StereoMonoizer sounds like a clever tool, since it appears to be able to tell you if the two channels are different (stereo) or identical (mono) but if you don't want to spend $49 for it, you can use Audacity for the job. It's free and pretty easy. Under the Track menu, select Stereo Track to Mono, then export the new mono track. I'll warn you now so you won't panic, but when you convert a stereo track to mono in Audacity, the original stereo track disappears and is replaced by a mono track by the same name. So when you export it, be sure to export it with another name like "Snare-MONO.wav" or be sure to export it to another folder than the one where the original track came from. If you're careless or not paying attention, you could overwrite the original track, and that's not a nice thing to do with your client.

As Chuck suggests, do the conversions yourself and keep track of your time.

Oh, and about "consolidate tracks" as you were thinking - this doesn't have anything to do with stereo or mono. It's equivalent to "Render" in HDRese - taking all of his proper punch-ins and alternate takes that he's (hopefully) assembled correctly so that he hears the track the way he wants it to be - and creating a single file for the track-as-heard. That's what you should be starting from when you import things to the HDR. Of course if he's smart enough to render/export stems - like all the drums, or all the background vocals - those are likely to be stereo and the left and right tracks should be kept for your HDR work.
 



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Apr 13 17 2:29 PM

zmix wrote:

chance wrote:Thanks Chuck, I will pass this info on

Chance, I use it at my end, as a mixer...  I got tired of trying to educate my clients about exporting files, and this program simply makes it a non issue.

I am recommending that *you* try it..!

I checked it out, but I am still running 10.4.11 PPC and 10.6.8 Macintel which do not meet the Mac minimum requirements I see no Linux version, but I might have a laptop running Windows 7 which will work. This client is new to ProTools, but is going to try sending the files directly from Logic to see if that might make a difference. I think I am going to turn him on to Reaper

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Apr 13 17 6:46 PM

I suppose... But I think it's part of your job as the mixer to be the one who knows how to solve problems, and does it without having it seem like it's much of an issue. Suggesting that they try Reaper is not a good idea, unless you can walk him through the process over the phone. Logic and Pro Tools are both more than capable of doing what you want. As are you if you just do it...

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Apr 13 17 7:42 PM

extrememixing wrote:
I suppose... But I think it's part of your job as the mixer to be the one who knows how to solve problems, and does it without having it seem like it's much of an issue. Suggesting that they try Reaper is not a good idea, unless you can walk him through the process over the phone. Logic and Pro Tools are both more than capable of doing what you want. As are you if you just do it...

Steve

You are absolutely correct, however all the many PT sessions I have received in the past, I have never had one file split into 2 when importing. I am not a PT user and is why I seek some understanding here so I can learn. You're right. It is my job to solve problems, and like the majority here, we seek advice, tips, and ideas from our colleagues when we run into a problem thank you Chuck Z. It is no big issue to the client, because he too wants to know what happened. I agree with you about turning him on to Reaper. After a long time with Logic, a short stint with PT, Reaper might just confuse him. He has been using Logic for a long time and just very recently, mid-project, switched to PT 12.7.

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Apr 14 17 8:51 AM

zmix wrote:
I use StereoMonoizer on every project, saves disk space, time, money, the environment, etc...:

THANKS Chuck.  I end up doing a lot of PT session prep, for both my projects and other peoples' projects.  I don't think I get as crazed about this issue as you, but it bugs me and I try to straighten it out.  It'll be nice to do it before I start the session prep--certainly less messy... probably less key clicks as well.  

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Apr 14 17 2:20 PM

chance wrote:
extrememixing wrote:
I suppose... But I think it's part of your job as the mixer to be the one who knows how to solve problems, and does it without having it seem like it's much of an issue. Suggesting that they try Reaper is not a good idea, unless you can walk him through the process over the phone. Logic and Pro Tools are both more than capable of doing what you want. As are you if you just do it...

Steve

You are absolutely correct, however all the many PT sessions I have received in the past, I have never had one file split into 2 when importing. I am not a PT user and is why I seek some understanding here so I can learn. You're right. It is my job to solve problems, and like the majority here, we seek advice, tips, and ideas from our colleagues when we run into a problem thank you Chuck Z. It is no big issue to the client, because he too wants to know what happened. I agree with you about turning him on to Reaper. After a long time with Logic, a short stint with PT, Reaper might just confuse him. He has been using Logic for a long time and just very recently, mid-project, switched to PT 12.7.
Didn't mean to sound snarky with my reply.  Just encouraging you to take care of it on your end.  Most clients don't want a basket of troubles handed back to them.  They just want the mix.

Steve

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Apr 14 17 5:41 PM

extrememixing wrote:

chance wrote:
extrememixing wrote:I suppose... But I think it's part of your job as the mixer to be the one who knows how to solve problems, and does it without having it seem like it's much of an issue. Suggesting that they try Reaper is not a good idea, unless you can walk him through the process over the phone. Logic and Pro Tools are both more than capable of doing what you want. As are you if you just do it...


Steve

You are absolutely correct, however all the many PT sessions I have received in the past, I have never had one file split into 2 when importing. I am not a PT user and is why I seek some understanding here so I can learn. You're right. It is my job to solve problems, and like the majority here, we seek advice, tips, and ideas from our colleagues when we run into a problem thank you Chuck Z. It is no big issue to the client, because he too wants to know what happened. I agree with you about turning him on to Reaper. After a long time with Logic, a short stint with PT, Reaper might just confuse him. He has been using Logic for a long time and just very recently, mid-project, switched to PT 12.7.

Didn't mean to sound snarky with my reply.  Just encouraging you to take care of it on your end.  Most clients don't want a basket of troubles handed back to them.  They just want the mix.

Steve

No offense taken Steve. Sometimes a snarky kick in the butt is just what I need to grow. It stimulates my desire to learn, and I truly appreciate the encouragment. It's things like this that separates PRW from all the rest

Chance Pataki The Musicians Workshop www.the-musicians-workshop.com musicians.workshop@gte.net

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