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ktm

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Apr 7 17 9:48 AM

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Hi

i just had problems with my MS matrix by Wayne Kirkwood (and Wayne is really helpful in solving my issue!)
and now i´m waiting for some replacement ICs i ordered.

So i´m wondering, what matrixes (matrices?) do you use - if any?
Did you have a chance to compare some to others ?
How did you settle on the ones you have?

KT


 
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waltzingbear

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Apr 7 17 10:53 AM

for old school magnetic magic, I use a pair of WE 111C coils with a pair of Daven attenuators. . Otherwise I use whats in Wavelab or the console of the studio I'm working in.

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Apr 7 17 2:49 PM

I have the one built into the Dangerous Master, comes in handy from time to time.

The Weiss units have them built into them and they both pretty much stay in MS mode all the time. I can de-ess the vocals without touching the cymbals and vise verse, same with EQ and level control.

Then there is always in the DAW Itself. DMG's Equalibrium is set up nice for this as well.

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waltzingbear wrote:
for old school magnetic magic, I use a pair of WE 111C coils with a pair of Daven attenuators. . Otherwise I use whats in Wavelab or the console of the studio I'm working in.

Alan

Very cool old school Alan.

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Apr 7 17 3:05 PM

Thanks so far!
I should specify: i meant analogue ones. 
Depending on the genre i like to eq in MS, but compress LR. 
Very old school with the transformers, i once tried it w Malotkis, but their Frequency Response is just not good enough. 
 

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Apr 8 17 8:42 AM

Although I'm coming from MS a different way--I used it for many years above the conductor's head as my main orch room pickup--the matrix that made me happy sonically was the one I built with Jensen transformers.  There were 2 models of suitable transformer at the time and I used the ones with the more extended bottom end (which were a bit more expensive if I remember correctly).  

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Apr 8 17 8:58 AM

I never cared much for m/s processing before, but since getting the Soma have been Eqing otb,
with m/s 100% of the time.  Just seems easier to get at stuff without adversely effecting other stuff as much.
still use itb eq l/r.

Here's a bit about the design.
MS-matrix in Soma is passive, transformer based, and does not add a single component in the signal path,
and thus does not degrade sonic performance. Input and output transformers have multiple windings
which are switched locally, with relays, to perform sum and difference operations.

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Apr 8 17 10:44 AM

Wayne's MS board is the most transparent analog option I have. That board can be configured it a bunch of ways. I have three or four of them living inside other custom builds.

I also have a Lundahl transformer matrix but it has more of a signature.

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Apr 12 17 9:41 AM

waltzmastering wrote:
I never cared much for m/s processing before, but since getting the Soma have been Eqing otb,
with m/s 100% of the time.  Just seems easier to get at stuff without adversely effecting other stuff as much.
still use itb eq l/r.

Here's a bit about the design.
MS-matrix in Soma is passive, transformer based, and does not add a single component in the signal path,
and thus does not degrade sonic performance. Input and output transformers have multiple windings
which are switched locally, with relays, to perform sum and difference operations.

I'm using the MS Matrix in the Knif Soma quite a bit these days as well.  The mini MS mixer built into that EQ is amazing.  Temporarily muting the sides can be really handy when trying to hone in on a lead vocal.
 

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Apr 13 17 11:13 AM

I guess if you're going through transformers anyway, having the option to wire them M/S is a good idea. Imo, the most elegant active analog(ue) circuit is the one by Kirkwood. However, in the past when I used the THAT line driver/receiver chips he uses, I didn't care for the sound. Could have been my implementation, of course, didn't pursue the reason.......

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mark chalecki

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Apr 17 17 11:06 AM

silvertone wrote:

waltzingbear wrote:
for old school magnetic magic, I use a pair of WE 111C coils with a pair of Daven attenuators. . Otherwise I use whats in Wavelab or the console of the studio I'm working in.

Alan

Very cool old school Alan.

I've actually got this exact setup on the bench right now, dang, I thought I'd be the only one. If I may ask, does it end up being 600 ohm in this config, where do the attenuators go? are they 600 ohm in/out?

I assume you're all passive with this, do you have a schematic you'd be willing to share?

thanks, mark.

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Apr 17 17 12:18 PM

you vary the input level to change the image, so on the input is the answer.

its the standard topology for an MS encode/decode transformer arrangement, if its was 600 before, its 600 after, you aren't changing the number of windings, just the arrangement.

see http://www.jensen-transformers.com/schematics/ AS055
nice bibliography on Ricks website http://www.uneeda-audio.com/ms-mat.htm
here's one to use twice as many transformers as usual! from who else, a transformer manufacturer :-) http://www.sowter.co.uk/specs/8379.htm
scroll down for gryaf's schematic https://groupdiy.com/index.php?topic=5002.0

cheers
Alan

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