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soapfoot

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May 17 17 4:46 PM

U87s have changed a few times.

There are a few early ones at our studio and a couple of relatively new-ish (early 2000s) ones, and one from in-between. The early ones are moderately different from the early 2000s ones... enough that I might prefer one or the other on something (I tend to like the old ones more often), but not so different that they'd have entirely different applications, for me.

Interesting that you have such good luck with the SM7. I like that microphone, but somewhat rarely on a sung lead vocal. It was just the ticket in one case on a particularly strident female vocalist (who had a theater background, which is a thing I notice often in singers who have theater training). I've also liked it in "live tracking" situations where the singer is playing an instrument at the same time. But in general, I've seldom been as enticed by the SM7 on vocal as many others seem to be.

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natenajar

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May 17 17 5:26 PM

The klaus u87 is a remarkable instrument. It's the closest thing I've heard to a universal transducer. I'm kicking myself because a few months ago there was actually a klaus 87 on eBay for a very fair price and I sort of thought about buying it but I don't really *need* another and, well money is money. But in hindsight, thinking about how much it would get used and what it cost, I really should have bought it. My next high end mic purchase will probably be another 87 from klaus.

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maarvold

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May 17 17 5:29 PM

soapfoot wrote:
...Interesting that you have such good luck with the SM7...

Around 15 years ago an engineer friend said, paraphrased, 'the old SM7's sound better'.  I was working for a composer at the time who had a 10 year old SM7 and it was just sitting there--the wrong mic for what he did.  So I bought it from him on the spot and helped him buy a much more useful mic for his purposes.  I don't know if there's anything to the old one/new one thing, but I like mine as a vocal mic through my tube mic pre.  It needs A LOT of gain though.  

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weedywet

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May 17 17 7:09 PM

I feel about new 87s roughly how I feel about sm57s

if you like them , good for you


not on my records; unless there is no other choice. 

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May 18 17 10:29 PM

bob olhsson wrote:
The best I've heard were unmodified from the late '70s.

me too

in fact, I particuarly DISliked every Stephen Paul modded one I ever heard.

 

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soapfoot

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I've never heard a Stephen Paul one, but I concur that the best ones I've heard were early ones from the 1970s.

I quite like a U87 sometimes.

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maarvold

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weedywet wrote:

bob olhsson wrote:
The best I've heard were unmodified from the late '70s.

me too

in fact, I particualrly DISliked every Stephen Paul modded one I ever heard.

 

 
I've only been around a handful of Stephen Paul-modded mics, but they were never exciting to me.  It might be that he was pursuing an idea that 'looked good on paper' (ultra thin, low mass diaphragms).  I have heard a couple of times about an ELA-M251 with a Stephen Paul diaphragm that is supposed to be very bright but simultaneously fabulous.  I think Seth might have told me about it, among others.  

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seth

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Not me, Mike. I used to rent a FABULOUS 251 from Toy Specialists in NY, and amazing mic, but AFAIK it wasn't a Stephen Paul mic.

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maarvold

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seth wrote:
Not me, Mike. I used to rent a FABULOUS 251 from Toy Specialists in NY, and amazing mic, but AFAIK it wasn't a Stephen Paul mic.

 
Thanks--I may have subconciously joined together 2 pieces of info.  There is an excellent, experienced singer here in L.A. who definately told me her favorite 251 was a Stephen Paul modded one.  I may have wondered if the one you mentioned was the same mic--I'm assuming she is bi-coastal to some extent.  

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bob olhsson wrote:
I never liked modded Neumanns.

For quartets and choirs it was hard to beat Klauses modded U87's Bob.  No stock one ever gave me what those did.

I sometimes used a pair of Klaus modded U67's for the same purpose.  For rock singers give me a stock 67 though.

Thoses modded U87's were the beast I ever heard.  I often think of trying to get one today but the prices are really up there on them now. People have learned about them.

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