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chance

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Sep 17 16 9:34 AM

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Got a situation where the singer sang most of the piece OK but there were 2 parts where he sang the lyrics fine but his melody line went down (scale) when it was supposed to go up. My client wasn't here when we did it. I assumed the singer knew his part. I can't get him back to rerecord and he has a unique sound to his vox. Is there any plug in that allows you to tailor the melody of his vox while retaining his unique sound?
I do have an outboard midi piece of gear where I can clone harmonies of a voice with a midi KB, but I don't want harmonies
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compasspnt

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Sep 17 16 10:13 AM

AT or Waves Tune or Melodyne will do it, BUT…

•Th more % you change, the more different the voice will sound
•You will probably have to change one not at a time
•So you may as well use whatever built in pitch changer you have, or SPEED.

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john bailey

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Sep 17 16 10:16 AM

Chance, I've got a few minutes this morning...  If you send me the chunk of the vocal, I can tweak it and send it back to you.

I've got AT 8.1 and Melodyne, and one or the other will usually do the trick.  It won't be artefact-free, but it'll be surprisingly close.  Basically, any of the formant-shift-capable plugs will get you there...

If you send me a link (YouSendIt, WeTransfer, Dropbox, etc.) I can do it right now...

If it's just a chunk, it might even be email-able if it's under 20MB or so!

info-at-johnbeetlebailey.com

Cheers, eh?

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Sep 17 16 10:16 AM

It seems like sometimes if you shift a note up a few semitones, that you can use a formant control to "lower" the formant to not make it sound chipmunky... If the plugin doesn't do it automatically.

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d gauss

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Sep 17 16 11:04 AM

Dunno if you have reaper or not, but you can easily split each note into its own item, then right click it and pitch up down desired amount. I.e. type 1 to raise a 1/2 step. This won't deal with formants, but can work quite well depending up the source. (Elastique is built into reaper)

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dr funk

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Sep 17 16 2:19 PM

Elastique is pretty good! It's now the standard pitch shifting algorithm in Samplitude (my weapon of choice). Looks like a few DAWs are now licensing it from zplane.

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chance

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Sep 17 16 2:40 PM

john bailey wrote:
Chance, I've got a few minutes this morning...  If you send me the chunk of the vocal, I can tweak it and send it back to you.

I've got AT 8.1 and Melodyne, and one or the other will usually do the trick.  It won't be artefact-free, but it'll be surprisingly close.  Basically, any of the formant-shift-capable plugs will get you there...

If you send me a link (YouSendIt, WeTransfer, Dropbox, etc.) I can do it right now...

If it's just a chunk, it might even be email-able if it's under 20MB or so!

info-at-johnbeetlebailey.com

Cheers, eh?

Thank you John. That is most kind of you. I am not under the gun on this project, and I need to learn by hands on experimenting. There will need to be much more than just a few semi-tone changes, I think I will clone the track as a test track guinny pig in Reaper

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chance

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Jul 12 17 10:42 PM

I ended up getting Melodyne. Now I want to move Melodyne to a computer that is off line. If I remember correctly when I first got Melodyne I needed the internet to activate a specific computer, so moving it to an offline machine might be a problem. Thoughts?

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extrememixing

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Jul 13 17 12:14 AM

Why does the computer have to be offline and NEVER online? Connect it, authorize it and take it offline, if you don't want it online. My computer is online all the time. It's a huge part of what I do. I've never had a problem, or been hacked. Why would you?

Steve

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soapfoot

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Jul 13 17 6:56 AM

More than a semitone or two will usually start to sound unnatural, even with shifting the formant. Some voices you can get away with moving something a few steps, but the more texture and 'grit' and breath in the voice, the more unnatural it starts to seem, and even a semitone can start to sound "weird." If you're getting to moving things as much as a major third or more, it will almost certainly be obvious no matter what.

Please do experiment and see how close you can get, but unless the part will be buried in an ensemble of other voices, I'm afraid a do-over may be the only solution. Hopefully that client learns to attend the session next time. :)

brad allen williams

Last Edited By: soapfoot Jul 13 17 6:59 AM. Edited 2 times.

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timc

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Jul 13 17 10:51 AM

Melodyne will do this about as well as anything... And, if the arrangement is somewhat busy, it makes it a little more difficult to hear the artifacts. 

I agree with the suggestion that you need to lower the fomant adjustment as the vocal is conked higher. If the pitch needs to change by more than a M3, it becomes pretty easy to hear on almost any lead vocal.

I see you already have an offer to do the deed, but I'd love to hear the solo voc and know what the intended melody is supposed to be... just to try it myself to see how bad/good it sounds. I have the latest greatest v. of Melodyne and some time. Let me know if I can help or just try it out for myself to hear the result.

 

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chance

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Jul 13 17 11:11 AM

Thanks for the kind offers, but this is an old thread which has been resolved. I just want to add Melodyne to a 2nd computer

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timc

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Jul 13 17 2:31 PM

compasspnt wrote:
Waves Tune is a pretty good program.


At $29, it is a steal.

Yeah, if your WUP is up to date...
 

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timc

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Jul 13 17 2:32 PM

chance wrote:
Thanks for the kind offers, but this is an old thread which has been resolved. I just want to add Melodyne to a 2nd computer

Ooops. I didn't notice the date.

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Jul 13 17 9:50 PM

compasspnt wrote:
Waves Tune is a pretty good program.


At $29, it is a steal.

 
I have used Waves Tune for many years.  It definitely gets the job done.  And, it can be very transparent when tweaked accordingly.

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