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soapfoot

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May 17 17 4:46 PM

U87s have changed a few times.

There are a few early ones at our studio and a couple of relatively new-ish (early 2000s) ones, and one from in-between. The early ones are moderately different from the early 2000s ones... enough that I might prefer one or the other on something (I tend to like the old ones more often), but not so different that they'd have entirely different applications, for me.

Interesting that you have such good luck with the SM7. I like that microphone, but somewhat rarely on a sung lead vocal. It was just the ticket in one case on a particularly strident female vocalist (who had a theater background, which is a thing I notice often in singers who have theater training). I've also liked it in "live tracking" situations where the singer is playing an instrument at the same time. But in general, I've seldom been as enticed by the SM7 on vocal as many others seem to be.

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natenajar

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May 17 17 5:26 PM

The klaus u87 is a remarkable instrument. It's the closest thing I've heard to a universal transducer. I'm kicking myself because a few months ago there was actually a klaus 87 on eBay for a very fair price and I sort of thought about buying it but I don't really *need* another and, well money is money. But in hindsight, thinking about how much it would get used and what it cost, I really should have bought it. My next high end mic purchase will probably be another 87 from klaus.

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maarvold

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May 17 17 5:29 PM

soapfoot wrote:
...Interesting that you have such good luck with the SM7...

Around 15 years ago an engineer friend said, paraphrased, 'the old SM7's sound better'.  I was working for a composer at the time who had a 10 year old SM7 and it was just sitting there--the wrong mic for what he did.  So I bought it from him on the spot and helped him buy a much more useful mic for his purposes.  I don't know if there's anything to the old one/new one thing, but I like mine as a vocal mic through my tube mic pre.  It needs A LOT of gain though.  

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weedywet

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May 17 17 7:09 PM

I feel about new 87s roughly how I feel about sm57s

if you like them , good for you


not on my records; unless there is no other choice. 

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May 18 17 10:29 PM

bob olhsson wrote:
The best I've heard were unmodified from the late '70s.

me too

in fact, I particuarly DISliked every Stephen Paul modded one I ever heard.

 

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May 19 17 1:46 AM

I've never heard a Stephen Paul one, but I concur that the best ones I've heard were early ones from the 1970s.

I quite like a U87 sometimes.

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maarvold

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May 19 17 8:19 AM

weedywet wrote:

bob olhsson wrote:
The best I've heard were unmodified from the late '70s.

me too

in fact, I particualrly DISliked every Stephen Paul modded one I ever heard.

 

 
I've only been around a handful of Stephen Paul-modded mics, but they were never exciting to me.  It might be that he was pursuing an idea that 'looked good on paper' (ultra thin, low mass diaphragms).  I have heard a couple of times about an ELA-M251 with a Stephen Paul diaphragm that is supposed to be very bright but simultaneously fabulous.  I think Seth might have told me about it, among others.  

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May 19 17 2:49 PM

Not me, Mike. I used to rent a FABULOUS 251 from Toy Specialists in NY, and amazing mic, but AFAIK it wasn't a Stephen Paul mic.

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maarvold

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May 20 17 9:34 AM

seth wrote:
Not me, Mike. I used to rent a FABULOUS 251 from Toy Specialists in NY, and amazing mic, but AFAIK it wasn't a Stephen Paul mic.

 
Thanks--I may have subconciously joined together 2 pieces of info.  There is an excellent, experienced singer here in L.A. who definately told me her favorite 251 was a Stephen Paul modded one.  I may have wondered if the one you mentioned was the same mic--I'm assuming she is bi-coastal to some extent.  

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May 22 17 5:31 AM

bob olhsson wrote:
I never liked modded Neumanns.

For quartets and choirs it was hard to beat Klauses modded U87's Bob.  No stock one ever gave me what those did.

I sometimes used a pair of Klaus modded U67's for the same purpose.  For rock singers give me a stock 67 though.

Thoses modded U87's were the beast I ever heard.  I often think of trying to get one today but the prices are really up there on them now. People have learned about them.

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trock.lucasmicrophone

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Jun 20 17 1:46 PM

So, Apparently Lynn went another step and tried out an actual vintage 47/251/C12 to a new recreation of each from Telefunken. Telefunken and Blackbird studios provided the mics.

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/big-sweetwater-mic-shootout-2017/1155957-251-c12-u47-do-you-want-hear-some-vintage-mic-comparisons.html

the videos are in there. I know its Youtube, but the new ones sound brighter to me? but then I wondered if how they are setup had something to do with that? it seems the lower mic is more optimal position wise for the singer? wouldn't that affect sound?

also I have no idea how well maintained the old ones are, way above my paygrade. Telefunken, in that thread also provides alot of info on the mics

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maarvold

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Jun 21 17 8:24 AM

For anyone who lives in the geographic area of Sweetwater: a longtime friend of mine works there.  He said they are having some HUGE deal there within the next few days and I think it's free.  It sounds like it's a seminar-type event.  Al Schmidt and CLA will be there, but it sounded like a bunch of other experts in their fields will also be there.

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Jun 21 17 1:33 PM

maarvold wrote:
For anyone who lives in the geographic area of Sweetwater: a longtime friend of mine works there.  He said they are having some HUGE deal there within the next few days and I think it's free.  It sounds like it's a seminar-type event.  Al Schmidt and CLA will be there, but it sounded like a bunch of other experts in their fields will also be there.

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Jun 21 17 2:14 PM

I know that this does sort of mimic a real world scenario, in that people might compare mics on a given vocalist.

That said, I think that using the mics on something like mono drum overhead would be a hundred times more revealing.

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trock.lucasmicrophone

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Yes, GEARFEST, its an annual gathering of TONS of vendors and special guests, workshops, seminars, recording etc. and some GREAT deals lol all at Sweetwaters facility which is pretty amazing.

I have gone to quite a few, this year looks great, I would love to see Eric Johnson play and attend some of the seminars, and of course look at all the gea and instruments. I met CLA and Frank F one year, Alan Parsons did a great seminar and I got to meet him, our own Ross H has been there and he also did a really great seminar, many others, also met Billy Sheehan who did a bass seminar that was pretty mind blowing. The event itself is FREE to get into, then sweetwaer of course has special financing and once a year pricing for things. its a beautiful campus to visit as well.

its very well thought out and organized

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